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Fastest growing religion in America is...gulp!...ISLAM!
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Eggs Ackley
2006-09-09 13:23:05 UTC
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Catch this morning's news item? Even in America, Christianity is on the
wane while Islam is growning, even among WHITE CHRISTIANS!

You may end up fightin' em over there, AND over here, after all!
Al Dykes
2006-09-09 13:36:23 UTC
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Catch this morning's news item? Even in America, Christianity is on the
wane while Islam is growning, even among WHITE CHRISTIANS!
You may end up fightin' em over there, AND over here, after all!
And for the several million Muslims in this country, for many many
years, there has been close to ZERO acts of terrorism and not even
much ordinary crime. America is different. We give immigrants that
are willing to obey the laws and work access to a good life and
equality. Europe is *very* different.

There is a part of Brooklyn that is so middle-eastern that the Islamic
call to prayer is heard on the streets, from loudspeakers, several
times of day. The NY Police Department has had so many
foreign-language speakers from this group volunteer their services
that we, reportedly, lend translators to the Feds, who seem to have
trouble recruiting anyone that didn't go to Yale. :-)

I worked around the corner from a storefron mosque in Manhattan for
several years. Never a problem. Good people.

yes, there is a terrist in there, maybe on in a milliom. Don't defame
an entire population for the acts of individuals. That's unamerican.
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The Great Infidel
2006-09-09 19:18:40 UTC
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Post by Eggs Ackley
Catch this morning's news item? Even in America, Christianity is on the
wane while Islam is growning, even among WHITE CHRISTIANS!
You may end up fightin' em over there, AND over here, after all!
And for the several million Muslims in this country, for many many
years, there has been close to ZERO acts of terrorism and not even
much ordinary crime. America is different. We give immigrants that
are willing to obey the laws and work access to a good life and
equality. Europe is *very* different.
There is a part of Brooklyn that is so middle-eastern that the Islamic
call to prayer is heard on the streets, from loudspeakers, several
times of day. The NY Police Department has had so many
foreign-language speakers from this group volunteer their services
that we, reportedly, lend translators to the Feds, who seem to have
trouble recruiting anyone that didn't go to Yale. :-)
I worked around the corner from a storefron mosque in Manhattan for
several years. Never a problem. Good people.
yes, there is a terrist in there, maybe on in a milliom. Don't defame
an entire population for the acts of individuals. That's unamerican.
Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
Which is why we are playing rightards against Muslims in the middle
east. One day they will come for you.
v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
2006-09-10 08:20:19 UTC
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A small number growing quickly is still a small number.

Try .49*250E6 exp(.01 (t-2006)) = NumMuslims exp (MuslGroRate (t-2006))
and use logarithms to find t. MuslGroRate should be a decimal not percent.


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Len Tropy
2006-09-10 16:09:00 UTC
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A small number growing quickly is still a small number.
http://hindutva.org/quran.html
What the Quran says about Jihad

The Muslims are commanded to wage an everlasting war against the
unbelievers and are assured victory in the struggle. Surely, the
Marxist social philosophy is an extension of the Koranic doctrine. To
realize the significance of this statement, one ought to read the
following:

1. On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. (The Cow: 161 )

2. Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. ( The Cow: 15 )

3. The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful, who will
not believe. (Spoils of War: 55)

4. Oh ye who believe! the non-Muslims are unclean. (Repentance:17)

5. Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them
find harshness in you. (Repentance: 123)

6. Oh believers, do not treat your fathers and mothers as your
friends, if they prefer unbelief to belief, whosoever of you takes
them for friends, they are evil-doers. (Repentance: 20) 7. Humiliate
the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
( Repentance: 29 )

Through the doctrine of hatred, Islam incites Muslims against
non-Muslims and proposes Jehad as the solution to make Islam the
dominant faith. What is Jehad? It is the battle against unbelievers
such as the Hindus, the Christians, the Jews, the atheists - in fact,
unbelievers of all sorts.

Jehad is nothing but an Inducement to Murder and Plunder non-Muslims
for their Sheer Crime of Not Believing in Muhammad

Since humans do not like harming innocent people, Jehad is nothing but
an inducement to murder and plunder non-Muslims for the sheer crime of
not believing in Muhammad. It is called a "holy war." Those who return
home victoriously, come laden with booty, which includes wealth and
non-Muslim women for concubinage and free seduction but those
"crusaders" who are killed "in the way of Allah" go straight to
paradise where ever-young virgins of exquisite beauty and pretty boys
anxiously wait to serve them! Even more stunning is the fact that
while every code of moral conduct treats murder, rape, plunder,
lechery as sins, Islam counts them as acts of piety.

Islamic Jehad is a Perpetual Declaration of War on Non-Muslims

Islam, in fact, is a perpetual declaration of war against all those,
who do not believe in Muhammad. This war is not confined to words but
it is really brutish, barbaric and bewildering. It makes society a hot
bed of mutual hatred based on discrimination of Momin (Muslim) and
Kafir (non-Muslim). Thus, it ignites the flame of eternal conflict far
more dangerous, debilitating and devastating than Karl-Marx could ever
visualize: "They (unbelievers) are Satan's party they are the
losers.... Those (the Muslims) are God's party....they are the
prosperers." (LVIII The Disputer: 20)

Islam is basically a medium of Arab Imperialism - Military, Political,
Economic and Cultural

Anwar Shaikh, a scholar of Islam writes the following in his essay
entitled ISLAM - The Arab National Movement, about how and why Islam
is basically a medium of Arab Imperialism - Military, Political,
Economic and Cultural.

In the words of Anwar Shaikh:

"1. The Prophet declared that he was the best individual of all
humans; the Koresh, his tribe were the best of all Arabian tribes and
Arabs were the best of all nations.

2. For this purpose, he used the oldest Semitic device of revelation
to declare himself a prophet, who is supposed to have no axe of his
own to grind but does what he is told by God.

3. As the Jews had a national God called "Yahwe," the Prophet chose
Allah, the Lord of Kaaba, an idol of his own tribe, and raised it to
the dignity of the one supreme God.

4. The Prophet made Kaaba, the sacred shrine of the Arabs as the
holiest place of Islam so that whoever believes in Islam must also
acknowledge the greatness of Arabia and its people.

5. The Prophet Mohammed made Haj, i.e. pilgrimage to the Kaaba, an old
pre-lslamic Arab rite, a basic tenet of his religion to impress upon
foreign (non-Arab) Muslims the sanctity of Arabia, and create an
everlasting source of income for the Arabs.

6. He insisted that God's covenant was not with Abraham and Isaac but
with Abraham and Ishmael. It is universally known that Ishmael was the
direct ancestor of the Arabs. Thus, one can clearly see that the
purpose of Islam is glorification of the Arab nationalism.

7. The Kaaba serves a much greater national purpose of the Arabs than
that which Jerusalem renders to the Jews or Rome to the Christians
(Catholics). It is guardian of the Arab nationalism at the expense of
the national conscience of the non-Arab Muslims who believe that they
have no individual nationality of their own, and prefer to be called
Muslims. Thus the Arabs have achieved the status of a nucleus whereas
the non-Arab Muslims have gladly become their satellites in the hope
of gaining paradise. It ought to be remembered that the Prophet shall
not open the gates of paradise to those Moslems who are not friendly
with the Arabs.

The Prophet said:

a. "May Allah humiliate those who seek to humiliate the Quresh (his
tribe)." Sahih Tirmzi Vol. 2 p.335)

b. The Prophet said to Sulaiman Farsee (the Persian Convert), "If you
bear odium against the Arabs, you bear odium against me." (Sahih
Tirmzi Vol.2. p.840)

c. The Prophet said: "I will not intercede for those or love them who
are not fair with the Arabs." (Sahih Tirmzi Vol . 2 p.840 ) Of course,
there is a difference of opinion about the degree of accuracy about
these Hadiths i.e. the Prophet's sayings, yet they are there. If they
were inappropriate they would have been expunged. They are correct
because they correspond with the Arabic ethos of Islam.

8. The Prophet built the structure of Islam around the sanctity of his
own person by declaring himself:

a. the Intercessor, b. the blessing for the mankind, and

c. the model of actions for all faithful.

9. Since Muhammad preferred Arabs to other nations, love of the Arabs
becomes a prerequisite of Islam.

10. Since faith means belief in both Allah and Muhammad, the Islamic
God represents duality as the Christian doctrine of Trinity represents
Three- in-one. Not only Muhammad was an Arab, Allah, the Lord of the
Kaaba, was also an Arab statue. Thus Islam is there to serve the Arab
cause.

11. The Koran is an Arabic document. It is primarily a book for the
understanding and guidance of the Arabs. Calling it a universal
message is just an innovation for subjugating the non-Arab Muslims to
the national hegemony of the Arabs.

Illegitimate Sex Amongst Muslims is Haram, but for a Mujahid Taking Up
Non-Muslim Women as Concubines in a Jehad is Legitimate

Carnal gratification, man's greatest desire, is the first temptation
that the concept of Jihad carries. A Mujahid i.e. the Islamic warrior,
who at that time suffered pangs of sexual starvation in the torrid
land of Arabia, was promised plenty of sensual enjoyment as a reward
for participating in the carnage whether or not he survived the rigors
of the battlefield. If he (a Mujahid - Islamic warrior) got killed, he
was assured that the houris waited for his glorious company in Jannnat
i.e. paradise, and if he survived, he had a share in the plunder,
which included women of the infidels. Islam has prescribed flogging,
and death-by-stoning for sexual offenses such as fornication and
adultery because it holds such acts as unlawful when committed out of
wedlock but when a Muslim "fights in the way of Allah" to murder the
infidels and plunder their property, then the Koran relaxes this rule:

"And anyone of you who has not the affluence to be able to marry
believing free women in wedlock, let him take believing handmaids that
your right hand owns ......So marry them, with their people's leave,
and give them their wages honorably as women in wedlock, not as in
license or taking lovers." (Women, IV: 25) These verses demonstrate
beyond a shadow of doubt that amongst Muslims, the Koran forbids
sexual intercourse outside wedlock: marriage is a must for the
fulfillment of sensual desires, but this law is blown off by the wind
of change when it comes to a Mujahid (the Holy warrior):

During the battle of Autas, the Muslims captured some women along with
their husbands. Though earlier, a Muslim had been forbidden sexual
intercourse with an unbelieving married woman, at this occasion, it
was revealed to the Prophet that Allah had relaxed this restriction
and permitted copulation to the warrior if she had fallen to his lot
in the battle and thus became his property. ( TIRMZI, vol. one, P 417
)

In the Islamic Jehad, sex was a big bait to attract followers, and
eventually, make them sincere devotees. After the people of Taif - the
last major Arab City to resist Islam - surrendered in February, 631
C.E., to escape horrors of the siege, Muhammad was presented with
three beautiful women; he gave one of them "to Ali, another to Usman
and the third to Omar." To realize the significance of this episode,
one ought to remember that both Ali and Usman were his sons-in-law and
Omar was his father-in-law.

The holy warriors of Islam have been given an unusual privilege of
sexual merriment. If they survive the battle, they secure concubines
but if they fall, they are sure to enter paradise full of houris
(beautiful maidens to be turned into concubines), living in the most
luxurious environment.

" For them (the Muslims) is reserved a definite provision, fruit and a
great honor in the Gardens of bliss reclining upon couches arranged
face to face, a cup from a fountain being passed round to them, while,
a pleasure to the drinkers ..... and with them wide eyed maidens
flexing their glances as if they were slightly concealed pearls. (The
Rangers, 40-45)

"Surely for the God-fearing awaits a place of security gardens and
vineyards and maidens with swelling bosoms." (The Tidings: 30)

The houris are ever-young women who have wide eyes, flexing glances
and swelling bosoms. Fancy the modesty of Allah and holiness of His
manners. Can anyone honestly say that it is not a lure to attract
followers?

The Motivation for Plunder, Loot and Booty in the Koran

The Koran also legitimizes booty and loot secured from non-Muslims
during a religious war - Jehad:

"Eat of what you have taken as booty, such is lawful and good. " (The
Spoils, VIII: 70)

To make his followers, the merciless looters, he thoroughly drilled
them in hatred of non-Muslims, the potential victims:

1. "Surely the worst of beasts in God's sight are the unbelievers."
(The Spoils: VIII: 55)

2. " Certainly, God is an enemy to the unbelievers . " (The Cow: II:
90)

3. "Oh ye who believe! fight those of the unbelievers and let them
find in you harshness." (Repentance: IX: 123)

4. "Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender
and pay tribute." ( Repentance IX: 29 )
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
Which is why we are playing rightards against Muslims in the middle
east. One day they will come for you.
I'm all for YOU joining up and going to Iraq and getting yourself shot up.
The Big Infidel
2006-09-11 01:15:50 UTC
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
Which is why we are playing rightards against Muslims in the middle
east. One day they will come for you.
I'm all for YOU joining up and going to Iraq and getting yourself shot up.
Less of a chance of getting killed in Iraq than on an Arizona highway.
Clave
2006-09-11 01:28:25 UTC
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
Which is why we are playing rightards against Muslims in the middle
east. One day they will come for you.
I'm all for YOU joining up and going to Iraq and getting yourself shot up.
Less of a chance of getting killed in Iraq than on an Arizona highway.
Way to honor our war dead, douchebag.

Jim
Len Tropy
2006-09-11 02:00:20 UTC
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Way to honor our war dead, douchebag.
What have you EVER said or done here or anywhere to accomplish that,
you stinking tidal flat HYPOCRITE!
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
Which is why we are playing rightards against Muslims in the middle
east. One day they will come for you.
I'm all for YOU joining up and going to Iraq and getting yourself shot up.
Less of a chance of getting killed in Iraq than on an Arizona highway.
So what's keeping you from signing up?
Paul Mitchum
2006-09-11 08:45:50 UTC
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Less of a chance of getting killed in Iraq than on an Arizona highway.
So the Minutemen have worked their way up to planting IEDs now?
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Len Tropy
2006-09-11 18:38:02 UTC
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the Minutemen have worked their way up to planting IEDs
New paula-slut straw man...
Len Tropy
2006-09-11 02:02:28 UTC
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I'm all for YOU joining up
Wot about you, pussy?
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
And a good Leftie loves America.
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
And a good Leftie loves America.
And a rightard clearly doesn't.
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
And a good Leftie loves America.
Well duh! That's how you can tell he's a leftie.

Curt
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
And a good Leftie loves America.
Well duh! That's how you can tell he's a leftie.
Curt
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
And a good Leftie loves America.
Well duh! That's how you can tell he's a leftie.
Baxter changed that. I did NOT right that.
Bullshit I did. That's exactly how you wrote it. Go check the thread. You
may have intended to write something else, but you made a Freudian Slip.
Len Tropy
2006-09-11 02:56:29 UTC
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you made a Freudian Slip.
You are a pussy POS, drop dead.
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
And a good Leftie loves America.
Well duh! That's how you can tell he's a leftie.
Curt
Baxter changed that. I did NOT right that.
Well you should have, then. We must strive for accuracy.

Curt
Len Tropy
2006-09-11 04:36:10 UTC
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We must strive for accuracy.
You spelled it right, that's simply amazing!
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
And a good Leftie loves America.
Well duh! That's how you can tell he's a leftie.
Curt
Baxter changed that. I did NOT right that.
It is WRITE, not RIGHT, idiot. Learn to spell a bit, or were you home schooled?
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Len Tropy
2006-09-11 18:29:51 UTC
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Learn to spell a bit, or were you home schooled?
Like you, cork-brain?
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
And a good Leftie loves America.
Well duh! That's how you can tell he's a leftie.
Curt
Baxter changed that. I did NOT right that.
It is WRITE, not RIGHT, idiot. Learn to spell a bit, or were you home schooled?
Why thank E cork screw. your are co rect.
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
And a good Leftie loves America.
Well duh! That's how you can tell he's a leftie.
Curt
Baxter changed that. I did NOT right that.
As a proponent of home and private schooling you do a horrible job of
leading by example.
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Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
The only good rightards is a dead rightard.
And a good Leftie loves America.
Well duh! That's how you can tell he's a leftie.
Curt
Baxter changed that. I did NOT right that.
As a proponent of home and private schooling you do a horrible job of
leading by example.
I will KEEP supporting Home and private schooling and could give a rip
what your opinion is of me. Fair enough?
Peacenik
2006-09-10 08:28:20 UTC
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yes, there is a terrist in there, maybe on in a milliom. Don't defame
an entire population for the acts of individuals. That's unamerican.
Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
Good bigots are dead bigots.
><((((º>
2006-09-10 13:18:56 UTC
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yes, there is a terrist in there, maybe on in a milliom. Don't defame
an entire population for the acts of individuals. That's unamerican.
Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
Good bigots are dead bigots.
Sounds as if the Christofascists need to get their butts in gear so they can
recruit more worshippers into the cult of their particular version of the
imaginary, invisible sky pixie who controls our fates and punishes us in the
"after life".
Len Tropy
2006-09-10 21:37:46 UTC
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Christofascists
Heathen lieberal slimeballs.
Len Tropy
2006-09-10 16:11:10 UTC
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Post by The Great Infidel
Post by Al Dykes
yes, there is a terrist in there, maybe on in a milliom. Don't defame
an entire population for the acts of individuals. That's unamerican.
Good Muslims are dead Muslims.
Good bigots are dead bigots.
http://hindutva.org/quran.html
What the Quran says about Jihad

The Muslims are commanded to wage an everlasting war against the
unbelievers and are assured victory in the struggle. Surely, the
Marxist social philosophy is an extension of the Koranic doctrine. To
realize the significance of this statement, one ought to read the
following:

1. On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. (The Cow: 161 )

2. Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. ( The Cow: 15 )

3. The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful, who will
not believe. (Spoils of War: 55)

4. Oh ye who believe! the non-Muslims are unclean. (Repentance:17)

5. Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them
find harshness in you. (Repentance: 123)

6. Oh believers, do not treat your fathers and mothers as your
friends, if they prefer unbelief to belief, whosoever of you takes
them for friends, they are evil-doers. (Repentance: 20) 7. Humiliate
the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
( Repentance: 29 )

Through the doctrine of hatred, Islam incites Muslims against
non-Muslims and proposes Jehad as the solution to make Islam the
dominant faith. What is Jehad? It is the battle against unbelievers
such as the Hindus, the Christians, the Jews, the atheists - in fact,
unbelievers of all sorts.

Jehad is nothing but an Inducement to Murder and Plunder non-Muslims
for their Sheer Crime of Not Believing in Muhammad

Since humans do not like harming innocent people, Jehad is nothing but
an inducement to murder and plunder non-Muslims for the sheer crime of
not believing in Muhammad. It is called a "holy war." Those who return
home victoriously, come laden with booty, which includes wealth and
non-Muslim women for concubinage and free seduction but those
"crusaders" who are killed "in the way of Allah" go straight to
paradise where ever-young virgins of exquisite beauty and pretty boys
anxiously wait to serve them! Even more stunning is the fact that
while every code of moral conduct treats murder, rape, plunder,
lechery as sins, Islam counts them as acts of piety.

Islamic Jehad is a Perpetual Declaration of War on Non-Muslims

Islam, in fact, is a perpetual declaration of war against all those,
who do not believe in Muhammad. This war is not confined to words but
it is really brutish, barbaric and bewildering. It makes society a hot
bed of mutual hatred based on discrimination of Momin (Muslim) and
Kafir (non-Muslim). Thus, it ignites the flame of eternal conflict far
more dangerous, debilitating and devastating than Karl-Marx could ever
visualize: "They (unbelievers) are Satan's party they are the
losers.... Those (the Muslims) are God's party....they are the
prosperers." (LVIII The Disputer: 20)

Islam is basically a medium of Arab Imperialism - Military, Political,
Economic and Cultural

Anwar Shaikh, a scholar of Islam writes the following in his essay
entitled ISLAM - The Arab National Movement, about how and why Islam
is basically a medium of Arab Imperialism - Military, Political,
Economic and Cultural.

In the words of Anwar Shaikh:

"1. The Prophet declared that he was the best individual of all
humans; the Koresh, his tribe were the best of all Arabian tribes and
Arabs were the best of all nations.

2. For this purpose, he used the oldest Semitic device of revelation
to declare himself a prophet, who is supposed to have no axe of his
own to grind but does what he is told by God.

3. As the Jews had a national God called "Yahwe," the Prophet chose
Allah, the Lord of Kaaba, an idol of his own tribe, and raised it to
the dignity of the one supreme God.

4. The Prophet made Kaaba, the sacred shrine of the Arabs as the
holiest place of Islam so that whoever believes in Islam must also
acknowledge the greatness of Arabia and its people.

5. The Prophet Mohammed made Haj, i.e. pilgrimage to the Kaaba, an old
pre-lslamic Arab rite, a basic tenet of his religion to impress upon
foreign (non-Arab) Muslims the sanctity of Arabia, and create an
everlasting source of income for the Arabs.

6. He insisted that God's covenant was not with Abraham and Isaac but
with Abraham and Ishmael. It is universally known that Ishmael was the
direct ancestor of the Arabs. Thus, one can clearly see that the
purpose of Islam is glorification of the Arab nationalism.

7. The Kaaba serves a much greater national purpose of the Arabs than
that which Jerusalem renders to the Jews or Rome to the Christians
(Catholics). It is guardian of the Arab nationalism at the expense of
the national conscience of the non-Arab Muslims who believe that they
have no individual nationality of their own, and prefer to be called
Muslims. Thus the Arabs have achieved the status of a nucleus whereas
the non-Arab Muslims have gladly become their satellites in the hope
of gaining paradise. It ought to be remembered that the Prophet shall
not open the gates of paradise to those Moslems who are not friendly
with the Arabs.

The Prophet said:

a. "May Allah humiliate those who seek to humiliate the Quresh (his
tribe)." Sahih Tirmzi Vol. 2 p.335)

b. The Prophet said to Sulaiman Farsee (the Persian Convert), "If you
bear odium against the Arabs, you bear odium against me." (Sahih
Tirmzi Vol.2. p.840)

c. The Prophet said: "I will not intercede for those or love them who
are not fair with the Arabs." (Sahih Tirmzi Vol . 2 p.840 ) Of course,
there is a difference of opinion about the degree of accuracy about
these Hadiths i.e. the Prophet's sayings, yet they are there. If they
were inappropriate they would have been expunged. They are correct
because they correspond with the Arabic ethos of Islam.

8. The Prophet built the structure of Islam around the sanctity of his
own person by declaring himself:

a. the Intercessor, b. the blessing for the mankind, and

c. the model of actions for all faithful.

9. Since Muhammad preferred Arabs to other nations, love of the Arabs
becomes a prerequisite of Islam.

10. Since faith means belief in both Allah and Muhammad, the Islamic
God represents duality as the Christian doctrine of Trinity represents
Three- in-one. Not only Muhammad was an Arab, Allah, the Lord of the
Kaaba, was also an Arab statue. Thus Islam is there to serve the Arab
cause.

11. The Koran is an Arabic document. It is primarily a book for the
understanding and guidance of the Arabs. Calling it a universal
message is just an innovation for subjugating the non-Arab Muslims to
the national hegemony of the Arabs.

Illegitimate Sex Amongst Muslims is Haram, but for a Mujahid Taking Up
Non-Muslim Women as Concubines in a Jehad is Legitimate

Carnal gratification, man's greatest desire, is the first temptation
that the concept of Jihad carries. A Mujahid i.e. the Islamic warrior,
who at that time suffered pangs of sexual starvation in the torrid
land of Arabia, was promised plenty of sensual enjoyment as a reward
for participating in the carnage whether or not he survived the rigors
of the battlefield. If he (a Mujahid - Islamic warrior) got killed, he
was assured that the houris waited for his glorious company in Jannnat
i.e. paradise, and if he survived, he had a share in the plunder,
which included women of the infidels. Islam has prescribed flogging,
and death-by-stoning for sexual offenses such as fornication and
adultery because it holds such acts as unlawful when committed out of
wedlock but when a Muslim "fights in the way of Allah" to murder the
infidels and plunder their property, then the Koran relaxes this rule:

"And anyone of you who has not the affluence to be able to marry
believing free women in wedlock, let him take believing handmaids that
your right hand owns ......So marry them, with their people's leave,
and give them their wages honorably as women in wedlock, not as in
license or taking lovers." (Women, IV: 25) These verses demonstrate
beyond a shadow of doubt that amongst Muslims, the Koran forbids
sexual intercourse outside wedlock: marriage is a must for the
fulfillment of sensual desires, but this law is blown off by the wind
of change when it comes to a Mujahid (the Holy warrior):

During the battle of Autas, the Muslims captured some women along with
their husbands. Though earlier, a Muslim had been forbidden sexual
intercourse with an unbelieving married woman, at this occasion, it
was revealed to the Prophet that Allah had relaxed this restriction
and permitted copulation to the warrior if she had fallen to his lot
in the battle and thus became his property. ( TIRMZI, vol. one, P 417
)

In the Islamic Jehad, sex was a big bait to attract followers, and
eventually, make them sincere devotees. After the people of Taif - the
last major Arab City to resist Islam - surrendered in February, 631
C.E., to escape horrors of the siege, Muhammad was presented with
three beautiful women; he gave one of them "to Ali, another to Usman
and the third to Omar." To realize the significance of this episode,
one ought to remember that both Ali and Usman were his sons-in-law and
Omar was his father-in-law.

The holy warriors of Islam have been given an unusual privilege of
sexual merriment. If they survive the battle, they secure concubines
but if they fall, they are sure to enter paradise full of houris
(beautiful maidens to be turned into concubines), living in the most
luxurious environment.

" For them (the Muslims) is reserved a definite provision, fruit and a
great honor in the Gardens of bliss reclining upon couches arranged
face to face, a cup from a fountain being passed round to them, while,
a pleasure to the drinkers ..... and with them wide eyed maidens
flexing their glances as if they were slightly concealed pearls. (The
Rangers, 40-45)

"Surely for the God-fearing awaits a place of security gardens and
vineyards and maidens with swelling bosoms." (The Tidings: 30)

The houris are ever-young women who have wide eyes, flexing glances
and swelling bosoms. Fancy the modesty of Allah and holiness of His
manners. Can anyone honestly say that it is not a lure to attract
followers?

The Motivation for Plunder, Loot and Booty in the Koran

The Koran also legitimizes booty and loot secured from non-Muslims
during a religious war - Jehad:

"Eat of what you have taken as booty, such is lawful and good. " (The
Spoils, VIII: 70)

To make his followers, the merciless looters, he thoroughly drilled
them in hatred of non-Muslims, the potential victims:

1. "Surely the worst of beasts in God's sight are the unbelievers."
(The Spoils: VIII: 55)

2. " Certainly, God is an enemy to the unbelievers . " (The Cow: II:
90)

3. "Oh ye who believe! fight those of the unbelievers and let them
find in you harshness." (Repentance: IX: 123)

4. "Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender
and pay tribute." ( Repentance IX: 29 )
The Great Infidel
2006-09-10 03:04:38 UTC
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Post by Al Dykes
We give immigrants that
are willing to obey the laws and work access to a good life and
equality. Europe is *very* different.
You finally said something sensible.
Europe is being taken over by Muslims.
Corky K
2006-09-11 07:31:52 UTC
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Post by The Great Infidel
Post by Al Dykes
We give immigrants that
are willing to obey the laws and work access to a good life and
equality. Europe is *very* different.
You finally said something sensible.
Europe is being taken over by Muslims.
Is that better or worse that the US being taken over by illegal Mexicans?
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2006-09-11 17:20:13 UTC
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Post by Al Dykes
Post by Eggs Ackley
Catch this morning's news item? Even in America, Christianity is on the
wane while Islam is growning, even among WHITE CHRISTIANS!
You may end up fightin' em over there, AND over here, after all!
And for the several million Muslims in this country, for many many
years, there has been close to ZERO acts of terrorism and not even
much ordinary crime.
I guess it's true. The more Muslimes blow themselves up, the more the
hysterical left falls in love with them.

America is different. We give immigrants that
Post by Al Dykes
are willing to obey the laws and work access to a good life and
equality. Europe is *very* different.
There is a part of Brooklyn that is so middle-eastern that the Islamic
call to prayer is heard on the streets, from loudspeakers, several
times of day. The NY Police Department has had so many
foreign-language speakers from this group volunteer their services
that we, reportedly, lend translators to the Feds, who seem to have
trouble recruiting anyone that didn't go to Yale. :-)
I worked around the corner from a storefron mosque in Manhattan for
several years. Never a problem. Good people.
yes, there is a terrist in there, maybe on in a milliom. Don't defame
an entire population for the acts of individuals. That's unamerican.
--
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Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
Ian MacLure
2006-09-10 03:33:21 UTC
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Post by Eggs Ackley
Catch this morning's news item? Even in America, Christianity is on the
wane while Islam is growning, even among WHITE CHRISTIANS!
You may end up fightin' em over there, AND over here, after all!
Muslim numbers in North America are miniscule.
Most Muslims here are followers of the Nation of Islam who are
as I understand it viewed as heretics by their "co-religionists".
Doesn't mean we shouldn't be vigilant but hardly cause for alarm.
Mind you we ought to seriously consider restrictions on the import
of random foreign clergy of that ilk. Wahabis and the like should
definitely not be welcomed.

IBM
Smiley Borat
2006-09-12 15:50:35 UTC
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Post by Ian MacLure
Post by Eggs Ackley
Catch this morning's news item? Even in America, Christianity is on the
wane while Islam is growning, even among WHITE CHRISTIANS!
You may end up fightin' em over there, AND over here, after all!
Muslim numbers in North America are miniscule.
Most Muslims here are followers of the Nation of Islam who are
as I understand it viewed as heretics by their "co-religionists".
Doesn't mean we shouldn't be vigilant but hardly cause for alarm.
Mind you we ought to seriously consider restrictions on the import
of random foreign clergy of that ilk. Wahabis and the like should
definitely not be welcomed.
The non religious, unbelievers, and skeptics are actually the fastest
growing belief structure in the United States, and thank providence for
that.
transporter
2006-09-12 20:53:13 UTC
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Post by Smiley Borat
The non religious, unbelievers, and skeptics are actually the fastest
growing belief structure in the United States,
I think you mean NON-belief...dolt!
Moses
2006-09-12 21:22:36 UTC
Permalink
Getting back on topic here, Islam is the worlds larges religion as well
as the fastest growing. Bush and Cheney must have had their heads in
the sand on declaring a war on terror <crusade against Islam>.

I repeat my favorite point. In ages past, the worlds most powerful
armies have never succeeded in destroying a religion though it has been
attempted. Romans fed Chistians to lions and crucified them. All such
efforts only made Christians more determined to overcome. Similarly,
the Romans marched on Israel, burned their temple and killed all the
priests. The population fled, led by Rabbis and remained united accross
international boundaries. The Turks killed off whole nations of
Christians but Christians rose again. Only where whole races were
exerminated as in the case of Aztecs, Incas and north American indians
have religions been extinguished but all those old beliefs still linger
in original or hybred forms among surviving generations.
Armies should fight armies not races or religions. Peace in Iraq will
never occur without skillful diplomats and peace seeking leeders willing
to respect Arabs and negotiate in good faith.
Post by transporter
Post by Smiley Borat
The non religious, unbelievers, and skeptics are actually the fastest
growing belief structure in the United States,
I think you mean NON-belief...dolt!
transporter
2006-09-12 21:57:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Moses
Getting back on topic here, Islam is the worlds larges religion as well
as the fastest growing. Bush and Cheney must have had their heads in
the sand on declaring a war on terror <crusade against Islam>.
No kidding, um...actually it was ISLAM that declared war on us first you
dumbfuck!

http://hindutva.org/quran.html

What the Quran says about Jihad

The Muslims are commanded to wage an everlasting war against the
unbelievers and are assured victory in the struggle. Surely, the Marxist
social philosophy is an extension of the Koranic doctrine. To realize
the significance of this statement, one ought to read the following:

1. On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. (The Cow: 161 )

2. Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. ( The Cow: 15 )

3. The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful, who will not
believe. (Spoils of War: 55)

4. Oh ye who believe! the non-Muslims are unclean. (Repentance:17)

5. Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find
harshness in you. (Repentance: 123)

6. Oh believers, do not treat your fathers and mothers as your friends,
if they prefer unbelief to belief, whosoever of you takes them for
friends, they are evil-doers. (Repentance: 20) 7. Humiliate the
non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute. (
Repentance: 29 )

Through the doctrine of hatred, Islam incites Muslims against
non-Muslims and proposes Jehad as the solution to make Islam the
dominant faith. What is Jehad? It is the battle against unbelievers such
as the Hindus, the Christians, the Jews, the atheists - in fact,
unbelievers of all sorts.

Jehad is nothing but an Inducement to Murder and Plunder non-Muslims for
their Sheer Crime of Not Believing in Muhammad

Since humans do not like harming innocent people, Jehad is nothing but
an inducement to murder and plunder non-Muslims for the sheer crime of
not believing in Muhammad. It is called a "holy war." Those who return
home victoriously, come laden with booty, which includes wealth and
non-Muslim women for concubinage and free seduction but those
"crusaders" who are killed "in the way of Allah" go straight to paradise
where ever-young virgins of exquisite beauty and pretty boys anxiously
wait to serve them! Even more stunning is the fact that while every code
of moral conduct treats murder, rape, plunder, lechery as sins, Islam
counts them as acts of piety.

Islamic Jehad is a Perpetual Declaration of War on Non-Muslims

Islam, in fact, is a perpetual declaration of war against all those, who
do not believe in Muhammad. This war is not confined to words but it is
really brutish, barbaric and bewildering. It makes society a hot bed of
mutual hatred based on discrimination of Momin (Muslim) and Kafir
(non-Muslim). Thus, it ignites the flame of eternal conflict far more
dangerous, debilitating and devastating than Karl-Marx could ever
visualize: "They (unbelievers) are Satan's party they are the losers....
Those (the Muslims) are God's party....they are the prosperers." (LVIII
The Disputer: 20)

Islam is basically a medium of Arab Imperialism - Military, Political,
Economic and Cultural

Anwar Shaikh, a scholar of Islam writes the following in his essay
entitled ISLAM - The Arab National Movement, about how and why Islam is
basically a medium of Arab Imperialism - Military, Political, Economic
and Cultural.

In the words of Anwar Shaikh:

"1. The Prophet declared that he was the best individual of all humans;
the Koresh, his tribe were the best of all Arabian tribes and Arabs were
the best of all nations.

2. For this purpose, he used the oldest Semitic device of revelation to
declare himself a prophet, who is supposed to have no axe of his own to
grind but does what he is told by God.

3. As the Jews had a national God called "Yahwe," the Prophet chose
Allah, the Lord of Kaaba, an idol of his own tribe, and raised it to the
dignity of the one supreme God.

4. The Prophet made Kaaba, the sacred shrine of the Arabs as the holiest
place of Islam so that whoever believes in Islam must also acknowledge
the greatness of Arabia and its people.

5. The Prophet Mohammed made Haj, i.e. pilgrimage to the Kaaba, an old
pre-lslamic Arab rite, a basic tenet of his religion to impress upon
foreign (non-Arab) Muslims the sanctity of Arabia, and create an
everlasting source of income for the Arabs.

6. He insisted that God's covenant was not with Abraham and Isaac but
with Abraham and Ishmael. It is universally known that Ishmael was the
direct ancestor of the Arabs. Thus, one can clearly see that the purpose
of Islam is glorification of the Arab nationalism.

7. The Kaaba serves a much greater national purpose of the Arabs than
that which Jerusalem renders to the Jews or Rome to the Christians
(Catholics). It is guardian of the Arab nationalism at the expense of
the national conscience of the non-Arab Muslims who believe that they
have no individual nationality of their own, and prefer to be called
Muslims. Thus the Arabs have achieved the status of a nucleus whereas
the non-Arab Muslims have gladly become their satellites in the hope of
gaining paradise. It ought to be remembered that the Prophet shall not
open the gates of paradise to those Moslems who are not friendly with
the Arabs.

The Prophet said:

a. "May Allah humiliate those who seek to humiliate the Quresh (his
tribe)." Sahih Tirmzi Vol. 2 p.335)

b. The Prophet said to Sulaiman Farsee (the Persian Convert), "If you
bear odium against the Arabs, you bear odium against me." (Sahih Tirmzi
Vol.2. p.840)

c. The Prophet said: "I will not intercede for those or love them who
are not fair with the Arabs." (Sahih Tirmzi Vol . 2 p.840 ) Of course,
there is a difference of opinion about the degree of accuracy about
these Hadiths i.e. the Prophet's sayings, yet they are there. If they
were inappropriate they would have been expunged. They are correct
because they correspond with the Arabic ethos of Islam.

8. The Prophet built the structure of Islam around the sanctity of his
own person by declaring himself:

a. the Intercessor, b. the blessing for the mankind, and

c. the model of actions for all faithful.

9. Since Muhammad preferred Arabs to other nations, love of the Arabs
becomes a prerequisite of Islam.

10. Since faith means belief in both Allah and Muhammad, the Islamic God
represents duality as the Christian doctrine of Trinity represents
Three- in-one. Not only Muhammad was an Arab, Allah, the Lord of the
Kaaba, was also an Arab statue. Thus Islam is there to serve the Arab cause.

11. The Koran is an Arabic document. It is primarily a book for the
understanding and guidance of the Arabs. Calling it a universal message
is just an innovation for subjugating the non-Arab Muslims to the
national hegemony of the Arabs.

Illegitimate Sex Amongst Muslims is Haram, but for a Mujahid Taking Up
Non-Muslim Women as Concubines in a Jehad is Legitimate

Carnal gratification, man's greatest desire, is the first temptation
that the concept of Jihad carries. A Mujahid i.e. the Islamic warrior,
who at that time suffered pangs of sexual starvation in the torrid land
of Arabia, was promised plenty of sensual enjoyment as a reward for
participating in the carnage whether or not he survived the rigors of
the battlefield. If he (a Mujahid - Islamic warrior) got killed, he was
assured that the houris waited for his glorious company in Jannnat i.e.
paradise, and if he survived, he had a share in the plunder, which
included women of the infidels. Islam has prescribed flogging, and
death-by-stoning for sexual offenses such as fornication and adultery
because it holds such acts as unlawful when committed out of wedlock but
when a Muslim "fights in the way of Allah" to murder the infidels and
plunder their property, then the Koran relaxes this rule:

"And anyone of you who has not the affluence to be able to marry
believing free women in wedlock, let him take believing handmaids that
your right hand owns ......So marry them, with their people's leave, and
give them their wages honorably as women in wedlock, not as in license
or taking lovers." (Women, IV: 25) These verses demonstrate beyond a
shadow of doubt that amongst Muslims, the Koran forbids sexual
intercourse outside wedlock: marriage is a must for the fulfillment of
sensual desires, but this law is blown off by the wind of change when it
comes to a Mujahid (the Holy warrior):

During the battle of Autas, the Muslims captured some women along with
their husbands. Though earlier, a Muslim had been forbidden sexual
intercourse with an unbelieving married woman, at this occasion, it was
revealed to the Prophet that Allah had relaxed this restriction and
permitted copulation to the warrior if she had fallen to his lot in the
battle and thus became his property. ( TIRMZI, vol. one, P 417 )

In the Islamic Jehad, sex was a big bait to attract followers, and
eventually, make them sincere devotees. After the people of Taif - the
last major Arab City to resist Islam - surrendered in February, 631
C.E., to escape horrors of the siege, Muhammad was presented with three
beautiful women; he gave one of them "to Ali, another to Usman and the
third to Omar." To realize the significance of this episode, one ought
to remember that both Ali and Usman were his sons-in-law and Omar was
his father-in-law.

The holy warriors of Islam have been given an unusual privilege of
sexual merriment. If they survive the battle, they secure concubines but
if they fall, they are sure to enter paradise full of houris (beautiful
maidens to be turned into concubines), living in the most luxurious
environment.

" For them (the Muslims) is reserved a definite provision, fruit and a
great honor in the Gardens of bliss reclining upon couches arranged face
to face, a cup from a fountain being passed round to them, while, a
pleasure to the drinkers ..... and with them wide eyed maidens flexing
their glances as if they were slightly concealed pearls. (The Rangers,
40-45)

"Surely for the God-fearing awaits a place of security gardens and
vineyards and maidens with swelling bosoms." (The Tidings: 30)

The houris are ever-young women who have wide eyes, flexing glances and
swelling bosoms. Fancy the modesty of Allah and holiness of His manners.
Can anyone honestly say that it is not a lure to attract followers?

The Motivation for Plunder, Loot and Booty in the Koran

The Koran also legitimizes booty and loot secured from non-Muslims
during a religious war - Jehad:

"Eat of what you have taken as booty, such is lawful and good. " (The
Spoils, VIII: 70)

To make his followers, the merciless looters, he thoroughly drilled them
in hatred of non-Muslims, the potential victims:

1. "Surely the worst of beasts in God's sight are the unbelievers." (The
Spoils: VIII: 55)

2. " Certainly, God is an enemy to the unbelievers . " (The Cow: II: 90)

3. "Oh ye who believe! fight those of the unbelievers and let them find
in you harshness." (Repentance: IX: 123)

4. "Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and
pay tribute." ( Repentance IX: 29 )
Mitchell Holman
2006-09-13 02:11:21 UTC
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Post by transporter
Post by Moses
Getting back on topic here, Islam is the worlds larges religion as well
as the fastest growing. Bush and Cheney must have had their heads in
the sand on declaring a war on terror <crusade against Islam>.
No kidding, um...actually it was ISLAM that declared war on us first you
dumbfuck!
So why is Bush holding hands with the Saudi Monarchs
who support terrorism?


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transporter
2006-09-13 02:33:14 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by transporter
Post by Moses
Getting back on topic here, Islam is the worlds larges religion as well
as the fastest growing. Bush and Cheney must have had their heads in
the sand on declaring a war on terror <crusade against Islam>.
No kidding, um...actually it was ISLAM that declared war on us first you
dumbfuck!
So why is Bush holding hands with the Saudi Monarchs
Because we're stuck getting almost 20% of our friggin' oil from the
camel spouts!

Smiley Borat
2006-09-12 22:23:15 UTC
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Post by transporter
Post by Smiley Borat
The non religious, unbelievers, and skeptics are actually the fastest
growing belief structure in the United States,
I think you mean NON-belief...dolt!
No, I meant exactly what I said, stupid twat.
transporter
2006-09-12 22:31:36 UTC
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Post by Smiley Borat
Post by transporter
Post by Smiley Borat
The non religious, unbelievers, and skeptics are actually the fastest
growing belief structure in the United States,
I think you mean NON-belief...dolt!
No, I meant exactly what I said,
Yer a moron, fuck off.
Nomen Nescio
2006-09-11 02:10:02 UTC
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Baxter changed that. I did NOT right that.

DON'T WRITE LIKE AN IDIOT

http://www.theretheir.com/
Len Tropy
2006-09-11 02:56:01 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:10:02 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
Post by Larry (Scratch)
I did NOT right that.
You are a no name.
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