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Vote for romney and lose your wife
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Solletica
2012-08-10 13:00:50 UTC
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Are your a rightard, um, I mean, Republican? If so, you probably work
as a janitor, at a lumber mill, as a TSA screener, or in a steel
plant, assuming you have a job at all.

Well, if you work in a steel plant, look here. . .



That's right, mitt romney will destroy your job. And not only that,
when he kills your job, u'll lose your health insurance and your wife
will die of cancer.

Ever want to know what it's like to never be able to take your wife
out on Friday night to Chick Fil-A? Well, if you vote for romney,
you'll find out!

Vote for the muslim with no birth certificate. You may not like him,
but at least he'll keep your wife ALIVE with government health
insurance.

And more importantly, you need his welfare checks to afford ammo.
the green flash
2012-08-10 14:36:36 UTC
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Post by Solletica
Well, if you work in a steel plant, look here. . .
http://youtu.be/9fLtA-VDx4A
That's right, mitt romney will destroy your job.
Oh my, now the useless America-hating shitbag Siva is back, with the
latest lie on his curry-sucking lips...

http://factcheck.org/2012/08/is-romney-to-blame-for-cancer-death/

A grieving widower in a new pro-Obama TV spot says his wife contracted
cancer and died “a short time after” Mitt Romney closed the steel plant
that employed him and left “my family” without health coverage. That’s
not quite so.

We find this ad from Priorities USA Action to be misleading on several
counts.
■Steelworker Joe Soptic’s wife, Ranae, died in 2006 — five years after
the plant closed.
■She didn’t lose coverage when the plant closed. Mr. Soptic told CNN
that she lost her own employer-sponsored coverage a year or two later.
She had no coverage after that.
■And as we’ve reported before, when the plant closed Romney was
running the 2002 Winter Olympics.
Oglethorpe
2012-08-15 02:32:24 UTC
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Post by the green flash
Post by Solletica
Well, if you work in a steel plant, look here. . .
http://youtu.be/9fLtA-VDx4A
That's right, mitt romney will destroy your job.
Oh my, now the useless America-hating shitbag Siva is back, with the
latest lie on his curry-sucking lips...
http://factcheck.org/2012/08/is-romney-to-blame-for-cancer-death/
A grieving widower in a new pro-Obama TV spot says his wife contracted
cancer and died "a short time after" Mitt Romney closed the steel plant
that employed him and left "my family" without health coverage. That's not
quite so.
We find this ad from Priorities USA Action to be misleading on several
counts.
?Steelworker Joe Soptic's wife, Ranae, died in 2006 - five years after
the plant closed.
?She didn't lose coverage when the plant closed. Mr. Soptic told CNN that
she lost her own employer-sponsored coverage a year or two later. She had
no coverage after that.
?And as we've reported before, when the plant closed Romney was running
the 2002 Winter Olympics.
Moreover, he was offered a buyout deal and didn't take it. he stuck around
to the bitter end.
the green flash
2012-08-10 15:03:46 UTC
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http://www.lp.org/blogs/wayne-allyn-root/why-does-obama-hate-small-business



Why Does Obama Hate Small Business?


posted by Wayne Allyn Root on Mar 25, 2011


By Wayne Allyn Root, Former Libertarian Vice Presidential Nominee and
Author of “The Conscience of a Libertarian”

I’ve started more than a dozen small businesses. For one, over $20
million was invested by me and investors who believed in me. I’ve paid
payrolls, health insurance, payroll taxes, workers comp, and
unemployment insurance for hundreds of employees.

Because of that, my employees were able to pay their mortgages, buy
groceries, send their kids to college, and provide for their families.
For this same small business, I spent about $50 million dollars on
things like advertising, marketing, promotion, lawyers and accountants.
That money enriched and employed thousands of others. And, that’s just
one small business. Think of the impact that thirty million small
business owners have on the U.S. economy. No wonder we create 70% or
more of America’s new jobs. Small businessmen and women are a far more
powerful economic force than Exxon, Microsoft, GE, or WalMart.

So why do Obama and his socialist cabal hate us? Why do small
businessmen and women feel demonized and punished? Why is it Obama’s
goal to drive us out of business?

Mug or rob me once? Maybe it’s ignorance or a mistake. Twice? It’s a
pattern. But, coming up with ways to rob and destroy me and my
businesses on a daily basis? It’s time to get the message. Without a
doubt, Obama and the progressive left are the enemy of small business.

Let’s look at the facts.

For 30 years I have been able to deduct mortgage interest from my
taxable income. Obama wants to end that. How many so-called "wealthy"
taxpayers (i.e. small business owners) would no longer be able to pay
their mortgage? How many homes would go into foreclosure? What would
happen to the housing market? Overnight every home in America would lose
40% of its already decimated value. How many small businesses earn a
living off of real estate? How many millions of jobs would be lost? Does
this sound like a President looking to create jobs?

For 30 years FICA taxes have been based on earnings currently capped at
just over $100,000 per year. Obama wants to remove the cap, thereby
hitting small businessmen with the largest tax increase in history.
Overnight a small business owner making $500,000 per year would see his
or her FICA plus Medicare taxes go from about $15,000 per year to
$75,000. That’s $75,000 before federal or state income taxes. That’s a
$60,000 per year tax increase for a small business owner. That would
drive hundreds of thousands of small business owners out of business. It
would force layoffs. It would lower consumer spending and kill more jobs.

For 30 years I ran my business without the extra taxes to pay for
Obamacare. Now we face new taxes on income, stock sales, home sales,
even on tanning beds! Worse is the provision mandating we report
annually to the IRS every vendor from whom we purchase more than $600 of
goods and services during the year. The cost of complying with this Big
Brother Gestapo mandate is unfathomable and threatens to drown millions
of small businesses in paperwork.

For 30 years, most small businesses could raise capital without
government permission. Obama and his socialist friends in Congress want
to change that. Last year Democratic Senator Dodd tried to pass
financial reform that included a provision increasing the amount of
money one would have to earn to be considered an “accredited investor.”
That would reduce the angel investor pool by an estimated 70% and
require most PRIVATE businesses get permission from the SEC to raise
money. Do you know what an SEC lawyer costs? Raising capital for any new
startup would suddenly cost an extra $250,000 in legal fees…and take
months, or years, to wait in line for SEC approval. This would kill new
business start-ups. Who could come up with this idea? Only a Marxist
looking to destroy the American economy, or perhaps a cabal of
extortionist lawyers looking for government to mandate obscene new legal
fees. Either way, it was a “Friend of Obama.”

For 30 years I ran my businesses without the White House being in
partnership with the American Bar Association. Now Obama has found a way
to encourage every lawsuit junkie and disgruntled employee to make up a
story and sue their boss. Every caller to the White House alleging their
boss has broken the law now gets assigned a lawyer willing to work for
contingency (no fees up front). Say goodbye to American business...and
goodbye to jobs.

Keep in mind that all those new taxes and regulations mentioned above
are aimed at people who risk their own money to start businesses.
Collectively we risk trillions. Our courage and capitalism fuels the
economy and creates over 70% of new jobs. Our taxes pay for government
and all those government employees with their obscene pensions. Running
a business often requires working sixteen-hour days and is the hardest
thing you’ll ever do. If our reward for all this risk, sacrifice and
work ethic is to be punished and demonized, why would we keep doing it?

This is no mistake or coincidence. This is a purposeful plan to destroy
capitalism. And the best way to destroy capitalism is to destroy small
business. Obama is trying to redistribute our wealth and create a jobs
crisis. He can’t stand that we small business owners don’t need or want
government to save us. So he’s out to ruin our businesses, and bring us
to our knees begging for government to help. And as a bonus, he gets to
wipe out the biggest contributors to conservative causes -- small
business. In other words, killing small business wipes out Obama’s
political opposition.

Yes, ladies and gentleman, we have met the enemy of small business…and
he resides in the White House.

Wayne Allyn Root is a former Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee. He
now serves as Chairman of the Libertarian National Congressional
Committee. He is the best-selling author of "The Conscience of a
Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gold &
Tax Cuts." His web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com
?
2012-08-10 15:16:23 UTC
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Post by the green flash
http://www.lp.org/blogs/wayne-allyn-root/why-does-obama-hate-small-business
Why Does Obama Hate Small Business?
He doesn't. Why would any president hate any business?
Ans: They don't. Why do democrats want the rich to pay more taxes?
No, they don't hate the rich. They believe that the rich have the
money while the middle class does not.

Livertarians tell lies, so do some Colonels. They have no brains or
livers. Some say it's alcohol.
the green flash
2012-08-10 15:34:32 UTC
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So pernicious even the left wing media is appalled:

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/07/14-7

From the Department of You Just Can't Make This Stuff Up, check out
this little-noticed report from the Billings Gazette today:

Max Baucus and former aide and Wellpoint Exec Liz Fowler

Liz Fowler, a key staffer for U.S. Sen. Max Baucus who helped draft the
federal health reform bill enacted in March, is joining the Obama
administration to help implement the new law...

Fowler headed up a team of 20-some Senate Finance Committee staffers who
helped draft the bill in the Senate. She was Baucus' top health care
aide from 2001-2005 and left that job in 2006 to become an executive at
WellPoint, the nation's largest private insurer. She was vice president
of public policy at WellPoint, helping develop public-policy positions
for the company. In 2008, she rejoined Baucus to work on health reform
legislation.

For some good background on Fowler and the insidious role she played in
killing the public option, watch Bill Moyers' recent segment here.

Clearly, this is a telling indictment of the health care law itself,
strongly suggesting that it was constructed by the Obama administration
- as some progressives argued - as a massive taxpayer-financed giveaway
to private insurers like Wellpoint. And let's be honest: In investment
terms, Fowler has been a jackpot for the health industry. The industry
maximized her public policy experience for their own uses when they
plucked her out of the Senate. Then, having lined her pockets, they
deposited her first into a key Senate committee to write the new health
care law that they will operate under, and now into the administration
that will implement said law. Any bets on how much Fowler will make when
Wellpoint (or another health insurer) inevitably rehires her in a few years?

This story is also a telling indictment of the Washington media. You'll
notice that the Obama administration's move was reported by the Billings
Gazette, but (save for a blog entry on the Hill's website, one
context-free line at the bottom of the Washington Post's gossip column,
and a blurb in Congressional Quarterly's HealthBeat newsletter) was
almost completely ignored by national Washington-based publications.
That's not because D.C. reporters didn't know it was happening - more
likely, it is because the political press corps in the nation's capital
no longer sees this kind of revolving door corruption as even mildly
problematic, much less newsworthy. That's how pervasive corruption is
these days - ubiquitous to the point of invisible in the eyes of most of
the so-called watchdogs.
the green flash
2012-08-10 15:42:48 UTC
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On 8/10/2012 9:16 AM, ? wrote:

(Coward ? munged the followups into alt.snuh - what a pantywaist luser
he is...)
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Post by the green flash
http://www.lp.org/blogs/wayne-allyn-root/why-does-obama-hate-small-business
Why Does Obama Hate Small Business?
He doesn't. Why would any president hate any business?
Oh it kind of comes down to a basic tenet of Obama's Marxist roots, and
all that anti-colonialism his father was steeped in really...
Post by ?
Ans: They don't.
Oh but they do, they really do:

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/truth-be-told/2012/jul/27/why-barack-obama-hates-small-business/

WASHINGTON , July 27, 2012 – Barack Obama continues to insult the
backbone of America – the small business – because his ideology is
rooted in the dream of a utopia where life is fair and all things are
equal. But, life is not fair, so Obama and his peers are determined to
bend and twist unbreakable principles in hopes of manufacturing
fairness. It is not possible to change human nature or basic principles.
The end-result of the policies Obama wants to institute will be that
everyone is equally poor.
Post by ?
Why do democrats want the rich to pay more taxes?
Because they are always about class warfare.
Post by ?
No, they don't hate the rich.
Oh but they do, really:

http://www.redstate.com/scipio62/2012/07/10/yes-democrats-hate-the-rich-in-order-to-lie-about-taxes/

Ask any Democrat statist if they hate the wealthiest Americans, and of
course they’ll deny it. It’s a lie. It’s always been a lie. And no, they
don’t just hate wealthy Republicans, they hate all wealthy Americans.
The hate starts at the top with Obama.

Brian Beutler at TPM points to a chart created from the Democrat statist
group Citizens for Tax Justice (can you believe the names these statist
groups come up with for themselves?) showing who would be affected by
leaving in place all federal income tax rates as compared to what Obama
proposed:

Many contend that higher taxes drive out the highly mobile rich, who can
simply move to a lower-tax state or even lower-tax country. Recent data
shows that a record 1,800 Americans renounces their citizenship last year.

One who is renouncing their American citizenship is Denise Rich, ex-wife
of tax evader Marc Rich. You remember them, don’t you? Denise Rich used
to donate towards the Algore’s 2000 Presidential campaign and Hillary
Clinton’s 2000 Senate campaign; as a “reward”, the corrupt criminal Marc
Rich was pardoned by President Bill Clinton via the current Attorney
General, the equally corrupt Eric Holder. Despite the fact that Denise
Rich was born in Massachusetts, she also claims Austrian citizenship.
The result:

By dumping her U.S. passport, Rich likely will save tens of millions of
dollars or more in U.S. taxes over the long haul, tax lawyers say.

I would say Rich sees the writing on the wall, just as Buffett does, and
is acting accordingly. I have no doubt Obama will act to avoid paying
any more in federal taxes as well.

Democrats know there will be no increase to the federal treasury if
Obama’s tax increase takes effect. But they don’t let reality get in the
way of “the message”, which includes getting their voters to hate “the
rich” in order to pressure squishy Republicans into voting for it. Up to
this point, the GOP has resisted these efforts; let’s hope they continue.
Post by ?
They believe that the rich have the
money while the middle class does not.
And they're all about REDISTRIBUTING IT, eh?

http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-spreads-wealth-around.html

Obama Spreads the Wealth Around
In a different time and dynamic, what Barack Obama said to a plumber
today would be a game changing gaffe. It would be the sort of statement
that would undress the house of cards that is his so called tax plan
that would cut taxes for 95% of Americans. In response to a plumber who
was concerned that his taxes would go up, here is what Barack Obama said.

It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure
that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success
too. When you spread the wealth around it helps everybody"

Now, the reason this could be so devastating is that this was a plumber
he was talking to. A plumber doesn't fit into the nice box of rich fat
cats that will be punished in order to take care of the less fortunate.
He is hard working and does a rather unglamorous job. Yet, this
particular plumber has done it successfully enough to earn the wrath of
Barack Obama. The logical conclusion is that if a plumber can feel the
burden of higher taxes, then who is safe from higher taxes under an
Obama administration.

Then, there is the larger philosophical point. Obam talks about
spreading the wealth through tax policy. That's the sort of philosophy a
Socialist would have. Furthermore, using taxes to "spread the wealth" is
a form of social engineering . Both the concepts of Socialism and social
engineering can be used as part of a devastating attack if they are
framed correctly.
Post by ?
Livertarians tell lies,
You just got caught _again_ munging followups, you cowardly stalker.

I piss on your flat and empty head.
azjohn
2012-08-11 17:26:49 UTC
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You assholes are all homos. Like you even care about women?
Obama is already killing federal agents, old people and any baby he can
abort.
You parasites should have obtained jobs, worked for benefits, and
provided for your families. Because you are lazy, and losers, you want
taxpayers to raise your families. You should go get sterilized.
azjohn
2012-08-15 16:45:13 UTC
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Vote for the Kenyan village idiot and lose the rest of your country.
Claude Balls
2012-08-15 17:01:30 UTC
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Post by azjohn
Vote for the Kenyan village idiot and lose the rest of your country.
Moi isn't running for election here, numnutz.

But if you vote for Romney/RyanCare you may lose your parents. Do you
hate them that much? Oh, you can afford their health care? I see.
sea of green
2012-08-15 18:06:37 UTC
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Post by Claude Balls
Post by azjohn
Vote for the Kenyan village idiot and lose the rest of your country.
Moi isn't running for election here, numnutz.
But if you vote for Romney/RyanCare you may lose your parents. Do you
hate them that much? Oh, you can afford their health care? I see.
You have a lot of socks out Mr. ?, don't you?


http://blog.heritage.org/2012/04/02/side-effects-obamacare-adds-17-trillion-to-long-term-unfunded-government-spending/

Side Effects: Obamacare Adds $17 Trillion to Long-Term Unfunded
Government Spending

Last week, the Senate Budget Committee Republican staff released a
report revealing that, over the next 75 years, Obamacare will add an
additional $17 trillion in unfunded obligations—i.e., the benefits
promised by the federal government that haven’t yet been paid for.

Before Obamacare, federal programs were already responsible for racking
up 75-year unfunded obligations of an astounding $65 trillion. According
to the report, Medicare accounted for $38 trillion, Medicaid was
responsible for over $20 trillion, and Social Security added $7 trillion.

With the enactment of Obamacare, projected federal unfunded obligations
have increased by $17 trillion


https://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/the-one-admits-obamacare-will-increase-costs-healthcare-industry-lays-off-more-workers/

……Obama admitted ObamaCare will increase health care costs. When asked
by a reporter about bending the health care cost curve, President Obama
said this about ObamaCare: “That’s going to increase our costs. We knew
that.”


http://online.wsj.com

There was a small but instructive moment in 2010, the summer after the
passage of the Affordable Care Act, that shows why Paul Ryan is so
unusual for Washington.

A panel at the American Enterprise Institute featured Richard Foster,
the Medicare actuary who estimates that ObamaCare's $716 billion in
Medicare cuts will cause one of six hospitals to become unprofitable. In
the audience was Chip Kahn, the president of a for-profit hospital trade
group that lobbied for ObamaCare, who stood up to defend the bargain his
industry cut in return for 30 million new subsidized customers.

Mr. Foster noted that the cuts, which come via a technical change to
Medicare payment rates, apply in perpetuity. But the hospitals only get
the extra patients once, so the wedge between costs and benefits for
hospitals widens over time.

"Well," Mr. Kahn replied, "you can say, 'Did you make a bad deal?'
Fortunately I don't think I'll probably be working after 2020." When Mr.
Foster pressed him, he joked again, "I'm glad my contract only goes
another six years."

This kind of short-range thinking—and intellectual exhaustion—dominates
both parties and their many clients in Washington, in health care
especially.Mr. Ryan's political character has always been different. He
saw before anyone else that one era of government was inexorably ending,
and that if we want things to stay as they are, things will have to change.
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