Discussion:
Well, It Looks Like We May Just Have Ourselves A Republican Chappaquiddick To Enjoy.
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DTA
2006-02-13 20:32:40 UTC
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NEW YORK The more than 18-hour delay in news emerging that the Vice
President of the United States had shot a man, sending him to an
intensive care unit with his wounds, grew even more curious late
Sunday. E&P has learned that the official confirmation of the shooting
came about only after a local reporter in Corpus Christi, Texas,
received a tip from the owner of the property where the shooting
occurred and called Vice President Cheney's office for confirmation.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001995719

Republicans finding themselves in the position of defending Cheney's 18
hour lapse in reporting an incident in which he may have been liable
(especially if alcohol may have been involved) makes for some awkward
irony indeed.

Having, for over 25 years, found inexcusable, the 8 hour delay in
reporting Ted Kennedy's accident at Chappequiddick, I'm sure this is
going to make for some humorously absurd spinning on the part of right
wing pundits.
Sunset Sam
2006-02-13 22:11:43 UTC
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Post by DTA
Having, for over 25 years, found inexcusable, the 8 hour delay in
reporting Ted Kennedy's accident at Chappequiddick
Who'd Dick kill anyway??
Harold Burton
2006-02-14 00:06:57 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
Post by DTA
Having, for over 25 years, found inexcusable, the 8 hour delay in
reporting Ted Kennedy's accident at Chappequiddick
Who'd Dick kill anyway??
The DemocRATs' chances of winning the Presidency or control of either
house of congress, in 2000, 2002, and 2004. No wonder DTA's bitter.
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 00:20:20 UTC
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:06:57 -0500, Harold Burton
Post by Harold Burton
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by DTA
Having, for over 25 years, found inexcusable, the 8 hour delay in
reporting Ted Kennedy's accident at Chappequiddick
Who'd Dick kill anyway??
The DemocRATs' chances of winning the Presidency or control of either
house of congress, in 2000, 2002, and 2004. No wonder DTA's bitter.
Mbwhahahahhaaa!!!
Harold Burton
2006-02-14 01:39:21 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:06:57 -0500, Harold Burton
Post by Harold Burton
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by DTA
Having, for over 25 years, found inexcusable, the 8 hour delay in
reporting Ted Kennedy's accident at Chappequiddick
Who'd Dick kill anyway??
The DemocRATs' chances of winning the Presidency or control of either
house of congress, in 2000, 2002, and 2004. No wonder DTA's bitter.
Mbwhahahahhaaa!!!
It's really fun rubbing leftwits' noses in their stupidity, but when the
really stupid like DTA serve up easily responded to softballs ya almost
feel guilty for shooting them down. But, God put the feeble minded like
DTA on earth to be mocked and who am I to go against God's will? ;-)
gatt
2006-02-13 23:33:21 UTC
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I'm sure this is going to make for some humorously absurd spinning on the
part of right
wing pundits.
I'm sure everybody with a political interest whatsoever will spin this to
suit his or her needs.

The dude shot somebody. It was an accident...it's ridiculous to think the
Vice President of the United States would murder a political opponent
himself: He'd have had somebody else do it.

It's equally ridiculous to suggest that the victim of the accident is
somehow responsible. Firearm accidents happen just as certain as people
fall off ladders and roofs, saw their own fingertips off or roll their SUVs
'cause of a momentary lapse of a clue. When you accidentally shoot
somebody, you're a generally regarded as a dumbass. Dick Cheney is/was a
dumbass. It pretty much falls straight down the middle.

When the VP accidentally blasts somebody, he's fair game for a round or two
of ridicule but it's also a great opportunity for firearm safety awareness
and education. Let's see if America can make something useful out of it
rather than degenerate into submoronic conspiracy drivel.


-c
Don Homuth
2006-02-13 23:37:04 UTC
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:33:21 GMT, "gatt"
Post by gatt
I'm sure this is going to make for some humorously absurd spinning on the
part of right
wing pundits.
I'm sure everybody with a political interest whatsoever will spin this to
suit his or her needs.
Probably. How is this different from anything else out there
connected with a public figure?
Post by gatt
When the VP accidentally blasts somebody, he's fair game for a round or two
of ridicule
Let the ridicule begin!
Post by gatt
... but it's also a great opportunity for firearm safety awareness
and education.
Let the VP be required to be first in line to register for the course!
Let it be Required of him to take it as a condition of further
permission to hunt.

Seems reasonable to me, certainly. He can serve as a Splendid Example
for us all, with that sort of remedial work.
Post by gatt
Let's see if America can make something useful out of it
rather than degenerate into submoronic conspiracy drivel.
If the Wingnuts can try to force a comparison of this to some other
incident, then this is fair game.

Turnabout, and all.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 00:21:43 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Let the VP be required to be first in line to register for the course!
Let it be Required of him to take it as a condition of further
permission to hunt.
And the dummy that didn't announce himself?
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 01:41:32 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
Let the VP be required to be first in line to register for the course!
Let it be Required of him to take it as a condition of further
permission to hunt.
And the dummy that didn't announce himself?
If you check the NRA, the prime responsibility is in the hands of the
person who fires the gun.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 05:18:58 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
Let the VP be required to be first in line to register for the course!
Let it be Required of him to take it as a condition of further
permission to hunt.
And the dummy that didn't announce himself?
If you check the NRA, the prime responsibility is in the hands of the
person who fires the gun.
If you hunt at all, when someone pops up unacounced it can be too late
to correct.
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 05:31:41 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
If you check the NRA, the prime responsibility is in the hands of the
person who fires the gun.
If you hunt at all,
I used to be an avid hunter, though it was far too easy. And after
1968, I took up fishing instead. More difficult, less noisy and just
generally more interesting.
Post by Sunset Sam
... when someone pops up unacounced it can be too late
to correct.
At thirty yards away, someone doesn't just Pop Up.

Regardless, you clear the line of fire Before you shoot.

Them's the safety rules. For a reason.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Scratch
2006-02-14 15:16:34 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
If you check the NRA, the prime responsibility is in the hands of the
person who fires the gun.
If you hunt at all,
I used to be an avid hunter, though it was far too easy.
Ha! Should have tried something besides fish in a barrel.
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 16:27:38 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:16:34 -0800, Scratch
Post by Scratch
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
If you check the NRA, the prime responsibility is in the hands of the
person who fires the gun.
If you hunt at all,
I used to be an avid hunter, though it was far too easy.
Ha! Should have tried something besides fish in a barrel.
Open sights, long shots, e.g. antelope at 400+ meters on a couple of
occasions.

Shooting is easy once you get the hang of it. At that point, there's
barely any Sport to pulling the trigger any more.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 17:05:30 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
At thirty yards away, someone doesn't just Pop Up.
With the sun behind them in heavy brush, ya, they actually do.

At 30 yards a human appears to be roughly a thumb's height at best.
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 19:26:29 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
At thirty yards away, someone doesn't just Pop Up.
With the sun behind them in heavy brush, ya, they actually do.
Sorry -- not the case.

One doesn't hunt upland birds in heavy brush regardless.
Post by Sunset Sam
At 30 yards a human appears to be roughly a thumb's height at best.
The person shooting is Still required to ensure the firing lane is
clear.

It's not as though there's some question.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 19:38:56 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
At thirty yards away, someone doesn't just Pop Up.
With the sun behind them in heavy brush, ya, they actually do.
Sorry -- not the case.
PROVE IT!
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
At 30 yards a human appears to be roughly a thumb's height at best.
The person shooting is Still required to ensure the firing lane is
clear.
Sun was in his eyes.
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 19:41:54 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
At thirty yards away, someone doesn't just Pop Up.
With the sun behind them in heavy brush, ya, they actually do.
Sorry -- not the case.
PROVE IT!
No need. Do it sometime.
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
At 30 yards a human appears to be roughly a thumb's height at best.
The person shooting is Still required to ensure the firing lane is
clear.
Sun was in his eyes.
No excuse. If you don't have a Clear view of the firing lane, then
you don't take the shot.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Bill Shatzer
2006-02-14 21:55:44 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
At 30 yards a human appears to be roughly a thumb's height at best.
The person shooting is Still required to ensure the firing lane is
clear.
Sun was in his eyes.
You're making shit up again. No one, save yourself who wasn't
within a thousand miles of the incident, has advanced that claim.

Still, Homuth's point remains cogent.

The person shooting is required to ensure the firing lane is clear.

If the "sun was in his eyes" and he couldn't see to ensure that,
he had no freakin' business pulling the trigger.

Cheney violated the first rule of firearm safety.

And was clearly negligent, if not worse.

Peace and justice,
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 21:58:06 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:55:44 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
-snip-
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
At 30 yards a human appears to be roughly a thumb's height at best.
The person shooting is Still required to ensure the firing lane is
clear.
Sun was in his eyes.
You're making shit up
Nope, it was near sunset.
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 22:03:53 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:55:44 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
Cheney violated the first rule of firearm safety.
And was clearly negligent, if not worse.
TX has an interesting take on Criminal Negligence, as it turns out. A
failure to take Due Care is considered a felony in that state.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Bill Shatzer
2006-02-14 21:27:45 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
At thirty yards away, someone doesn't just Pop Up.
With the sun behind them in heavy brush, ya, they actually do.
At 30 yards a human appears to be roughly a thumb's height at best.
The -someone- (read Cheney!) shouldn't have pulled the trigger!

That's 'bout the first lesson they teach in hunter safety - be
SURE of your target and its backdrop BEFORE you pull the trigger.

And if you can't be SURE (as in dead-ass positive certain), you don't shoot.

Ever. Period. Under no circumstances.

But, perhaps the VP was never taught that lesson.

He's now learned it, we can but hope. A bit late for Mr. Whittington
however.

He's hopefully learned his lesson about starting a ground war on
the continent of Asia as well. A bit late as well for the rest of us
on that one as well.

Peace and justice,
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 21:33:28 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:27:45 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
At thirty yards away, someone doesn't just Pop Up.
With the sun behind them in heavy brush, ya, they actually do.
At 30 yards a human appears to be roughly a thumb's height at best.
The -someone- (read Cheney!) shouldn't have pulled the trigger!
Sun blinded.
Post by Bill Shatzer
That's 'bout the first lesson they teach
The also taught me to sing out through the entire hunt anytime there's
a position change or retrieval, ymmv.

It's on ALL group hunters to maintain eye and ear contact the whole
time.
Post by Bill Shatzer
He's hopefully learned his lesson about starting a ground war
Non sequitur, and a predictable one too.
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 21:51:49 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:27:45 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
At thirty yards away, someone doesn't just Pop Up.
With the sun behind them in heavy brush, ya, they actually do.
At 30 yards a human appears to be roughly a thumb's height at best.
The -someone- (read Cheney!) shouldn't have pulled the trigger!
Sun blinded.
If you are blinded, you don't take the shot. Sun or Sand, doesn't
matter.

And the lame excuse changes nothing.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 21:57:39 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:27:45 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
At thirty yards away, someone doesn't just Pop Up.
With the sun behind them in heavy brush, ya, they actually do.
At 30 yards a human appears to be roughly a thumb's height at best.
The -someone- (read Cheney!) shouldn't have pulled the trigger!
Sun blinded.
If you are blinded, you don't take the shot.
If you swing through you may still do so and pick up the
impediment too late to react.
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 22:04:52 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
If you are blinded, you don't take the shot.
If you swing through you may still do so and pick up the
impediment too late to react.
Doesn't matter the circumstance. If you are blinded, you don't pull
the trigger. This is Standard Stuff from the NRA instructions, and is
not Rocket Science.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Joyce Reynolds-Ward
2006-02-15 03:30:25 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
If you are blinded, you don't take the shot.
If you swing through you may still do so and pick up the
impediment too late to react.
Doesn't matter the circumstance. If you are blinded, you don't pull
the trigger. This is Standard Stuff from the NRA instructions, and is
not Rocket Science.
Interestingly, it's easy enough to pick out the respondents here who
have field hunting/shooting experience and those who don't....

jrw
Don Homuth
2006-02-15 03:53:19 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:30:25 -0800, Joyce Reynolds-Ward
Post by Joyce Reynolds-Ward
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
If you are blinded, you don't take the shot.
If you swing through you may still do so and pick up the
impediment too late to react.
Doesn't matter the circumstance. If you are blinded, you don't pull
the trigger. This is Standard Stuff from the NRA instructions, and is
not Rocket Science.
Interestingly, it's easy enough to pick out the respondents here who
have field hunting/shooting experience and those who don't....
Yeah -- the Gun Fondlers, ftmp.

Not folks who actually Use firearms much.

Frankly, I'm astonished. Just a visit to the NRA site (URLs
previously provided by others) will demonstrate their advice and
information on the topic.

The fault, when someone is "accidentally" shot Always resides with the
Shooter. Never the victim. Doesn't matter the cause, doesn't matter
the situation, doesn't matter if the sun is in your eyes, or you
sneeze or fart -- just nothing matters at all.

The person pulling the trigger is responsible. Always.

No one else.

Ever.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Harold Burton
2006-02-15 03:59:30 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:30:25 -0800, Joyce Reynolds-Ward
Post by Joyce Reynolds-Ward
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
If you are blinded, you don't take the shot.
If you swing through you may still do so and pick up the
impediment too late to react.
Doesn't matter the circumstance. If you are blinded, you don't pull
the trigger. This is Standard Stuff from the NRA instructions, and is
not Rocket Science.
Interestingly, it's easy enough to pick out the respondents here who
have field hunting/shooting experience and those who don't....
Yeah -- the Gun Fondlers, ftmp.
Not folks who actually Use firearms much.
Frankly, I'm astonished. Just a visit to the NRA site (URLs
previously provided by others) will demonstrate their advice and
information on the topic.
The fault, when someone is "accidentally" shot Always resides with the
Shooter. Never the victim.
Nope.
Don Homuth
2006-02-15 04:06:34 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:59:30 -0500, Harold Burton
Post by Don Homuth
The fault, when someone is "accidentally" shot Always resides with the
Shooter. Never the victim.
Nope.
Heh!

It might be possible to be More Adamantly Ignorant than displayed by
that insipid response, but you'd sure as hell have to work at it.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Harold Burton
2006-02-15 04:37:39 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:59:30 -0500, Harold Burton
Post by Don Homuth
The fault, when someone is "accidentally" shot Always resides with the
Shooter. Never the victim.
Nope.
Heh!
It might be possible to be More Adamantly Ignorant than displayed by
that insipid response..
Hardly insipid, and I notice you don't dispute it, but keep trying.
Don Homuth
2006-02-15 17:03:57 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:37:39 -0500, Harold Burton
Post by Harold Burton
Post by Don Homuth
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:59:30 -0500, Harold Burton
Post by Don Homuth
The fault, when someone is "accidentally" shot Always resides with the
Shooter. Never the victim.
Nope.
Heh!
It might be possible to be More Adamantly Ignorant than displayed by
that insipid response..
Hardly insipid, and I notice you don't dispute it,
How much more directly disputational would you prefer I be, in this
instance? I could start spewing maledictions, scatological comments
and sexual fantasies, if that would help -- but that'd be an
overreaction, I suspect.
Post by Harold Burton
... but keep trying.
For the Wingnut set, I am always trying.

Very trying.

Whittington bears precisely No blame for his being shot. Just none
whatsoever. Every outdoor writer out there, bar none that I've been
able to find, has made that point many times over. You can read one
of them on the Sports pages of the Big O this morning, in fact, and
Google will find you dozens of others as well.

The entire responsibility for this one lands directly on Cheney. No
one else.

Not even the RNC talking points and the Wingnut Blogosphere can change
that.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
grandwazoo
2006-02-15 07:43:22 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:30:25 -0800, Joyce Reynolds-Ward
Post by Joyce Reynolds-Ward
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
If you are blinded, you don't take the shot.
If you swing through you may still do so and pick up the
impediment too late to react.
Doesn't matter the circumstance. If you are blinded, you don't pull
the trigger. This is Standard Stuff from the NRA instructions, and is
not Rocket Science.
Interestingly, it's easy enough to pick out the respondents here who
have field hunting/shooting experience and those who don't....
Yeah -- the Gun Fondlers, ftmp.
Not folks who actually Use firearms much.
Frankly, I'm astonished. Just a visit to the NRA site (URLs
previously provided by others) will demonstrate their advice and
information on the topic.
The fault, when someone is "accidentally" shot Always resides with the
Shooter. Never the victim.
Nope.
Ok, it was self defense and Cheney beat him to the draw! Of course it is
the shooter's responsibility. You never shoot beyond your 2 O'clock or
your 10 O'clock position when you hunt on a line. And, it will come to
pass that claims of the man being 30 yards away will prove false. If any
of the claims prove to be false, all of the claims can be assumed to be
false. Your VP is in deep shit.
Sammy's Bistro
2006-02-15 15:24:47 UTC
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Post by grandwazoo
Ok, it was self defense and Cheney beat him to the draw! Of course it is
the shooter's responsibility. You never shoot beyond your 2 O'clock or
your 10 O'clock position when you hunt on a line. And, it will come to
pass that claims of the man being 30 yards away will prove false. If any
of the claims prove to be false, all of the claims can be assumed to be
false. Your VP is in deep shit.
Please explain what scenario would transpire that would cause any
consequences other than embarrassment?
Harold Burton
2006-02-15 17:07:16 UTC
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Post by Sammy's Bistro
Post by grandwazoo
Ok, it was self defense and Cheney beat him to the draw! Of course it is
the shooter's responsibility. You never shoot beyond your 2 O'clock or
your 10 O'clock position when you hunt on a line. And, it will come to
pass that claims of the man being 30 yards away will prove false. If any
of the claims prove to be false, all of the claims can be assumed to be
false. Your VP is in deep shit.
Please explain what scenario would transpire that would cause any
consequences other than embarrassment?
Hmmmm, maybe it's all a plot to make John Hastert Vice President. :-)
Don Homuth
2006-02-15 17:07:10 UTC
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And, it will come to pass that claims of the man being 30 yards away will prove false.
I spoke with a friend from MN with whom I've been on upland hunts
(though I don't shoot, I do help control the dogs) for many years now.

Something about the distance discussion doesn't quite ring true, but
he's going to look it up on a chart he has later on today.

A 28-gauge doesn't have much of a shot load. By thirty yards, the
shot pattern is pretty well disbursed, and the shot is slowing down
precipitously -- enough so that it'd be difficult to discern how a 7.5
shot load could penetrate an orange vest *and* jacket *and* shirt
sufficiently so that a pellet could migrate to the heart.

It might be possible, and he's going to attempt to winkle it all out.
At the moment, it's -20F where he lives, and he has some other
priorities to attend to.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Lobby Dosser
2006-02-15 10:41:06 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:30:25 -0800, Joyce Reynolds-Ward
Post by Joyce Reynolds-Ward
Post by Don Homuth
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:51:49 -0800, Don Homuth
Post by Don Homuth
If you are blinded, you don't take the shot.
If you swing through you may still do so and pick up the
impediment too late to react.
Doesn't matter the circumstance. If you are blinded, you don't pull
the trigger. This is Standard Stuff from the NRA instructions, and
is not Rocket Science.
Interestingly, it's easy enough to pick out the respondents here who
have field hunting/shooting experience and those who don't....
Yeah -- the Gun Fondlers, ftmp.
Not folks who actually Use firearms much.
Frankly, I'm astonished. Just a visit to the NRA site (URLs
previously provided by others) will demonstrate their advice and
information on the topic.
The fault, when someone is "accidentally" shot Always resides with the
Shooter. Never the victim. Doesn't matter the cause, doesn't matter
the situation, doesn't matter if the sun is in your eyes, or you
sneeze or fart -- just nothing matters at all.
The person pulling the trigger is responsible. Always.
And you don't need to be a Hunter to know that. You get it on the range
ferkrisake.
Post by Don Homuth
No one else.
Ever.
"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Don Homuth
2006-02-15 17:08:33 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:41:06 GMT, Lobby Dosser
Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by Don Homuth
The fault, when someone is "accidentally" shot Always resides with the
Shooter. Never the victim. Doesn't matter the cause, doesn't matter
the situation, doesn't matter if the sun is in your eyes, or you
sneeze or fart -- just nothing matters at all.
The person pulling the trigger is responsible. Always.
And you don't need to be a Hunter to know that. You get it on the range
ferkrisake.
If he wishes to claim that he had a Senior Moment, that discussion is
open to him.

But essentially, you are quite correct. Every Outdoor Writer out
there seems to know it.

Bennet, Burton and the Wingnuts still want to defend the indefensible.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Sunset Sam
2006-02-15 18:34:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
If you are blinded, you don't take the shot.
If you swing through you may still do so and pick up the
impediment too late to react.
Doesn't matter the circumstance. If you are blinded, you don't pull
the trigger.
Maybe he pulled it AFTER he was blinded!
Bill Shatzer
2006-02-14 05:09:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
Let the VP be required to be first in line to register for the course!
Let it be Required of him to take it as a condition of further
permission to hunt.
And the dummy that didn't announce himself?
Well, we've only Katherine Armstrong's word on that. A republican
stalwart who had 18 hours to get the story together before she
bothered to mention the incident to anyone.

'Sides, by her own story, she was some distance away inside a
vehicle. How the hell would she know?

Moreover, Whittington was 30 yards away 'cording to her story.
How does one "announce" oneself at that distance without scaring
the birds?

And when -I- took my hunters' safety course, I don't recall anything
which made anyone other than -me- responsible for knowing the location
of other hunters or said I could ignore those who didn't "announce"
themselves.

Cheney and only Cheney was responsible for ensuring no one was
in his line of fire when he pulled the trigger.

Cheney screwed the pooch on this 'un. And no amount of right-wing
Karl Rove-type spin is gonna change that.

"People ask me how I do it,
And I say there's nothing to it.
You just stand there lookin' cute,
And when something moves, you shoot!

"Now there's ten stuffed heads
In my trophy room right now.
Seven hunters. Two game wardens.
And a full-bred Gurnsey cow."

-Tom Lehrer-

Peace and justice,
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 05:28:20 UTC
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:09:28 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
Cheney screwed the pooch on this 'un. And no amount of right-wing
Karl Rove-type spin is gonna change that.
From today's NYT:

White House Memo

Groans at Home Re: (Cheney Joke Here)


By ELISABETH BUMILLER
Published: February 14, 2006

WASHINGTON, Feb. 13 — What do you do when the vice president shoots
someone?

That was the question the White House grappled uncertainly with on
Monday, after Dick Cheney made history as the second vice president to
fire a gun at someone — though accidentally in this case — while in
office. By the end of a bizarre day in Washington, with only Aaron
Burr as a precedent and the late-night comedians and Cheney Internet
shooting games going at it full force, the only answer for the White
House seemed to be to run for cover.

"You can always look back at these issues and look at how to do a
better job," Scott McClellan, the White House spokesman, said in what
by this White House's standards was a forthright admission that it had
been a rough couple of days.

Even Mr. Cheney's most loyal friends could only brace themselves for
the one-liners to come.

"Dick Cheney is one of the most skilled shots I know, and they'll make
fun of it forever," said Alan K. Simpson, a former Wyoming senator who
is a longtime friend and sometime hunting partner of the vice
president.

He seemed to be right.

"Something I just found out today about the incident," Jay Leno said
Monday on the "Tonight Show" on NBC. "Do you know that Dick Cheney
tortured the guy for a half-hour before he shot him?"

Aside from Harry Whittington, the 78-year-old Texas lawyer who was in
stable condition after being peppered with shotgun pellets by Mr.
Cheney, the person who had the worst time on Monday was Mr. McClellan.

In one of two raucous news briefings, Mr. McClellan told reporters
that he first learned in a 6 a.m. phone call on Sunday — some 12 hours
after the accident — that Mr. Cheney had sprayed Mr. Whittington with
his shotgun. Mr. McClellan said he had urged the vice president's
office to get the information out "as quickly as possible."

But Mr. Cheney's office does not appear to have taken that advice.
Instead, the vice president told the nation of the incident via
Katharine Armstrong, a member of the hunting party and an owner of the
Texas ranch where the accident occurred.

On Sunday morning, Ms. Armstrong called her local newspaper, The
Corpus Christi Caller-Times, and informed it of the shooting.

Mr. Cheney's office took some questions from reporters Sunday night
but did not release a statement about the accident. It was left to Mr.
McClellan to handle the White House press corps Monday morning, and
things did not go especially well.

Just minutes into Mr. McClellan's early briefing, the press secretary
was in a verbal brawl with David Gregory of NBC, who repeatedly asked
why the press corps did not learn of the Saturday shooting, which took
place at 5:30 p.m. Central time, for nearly 24 hours. Mr. McClellan
responded that Ms. Armstrong had informed the press corps through her
local newspaper.

"Scott, that's not the answer to the question," Mr. Gregory said.
"Come on. You're totally ducking and weaving here."

"No, I'm not," Mr. McClellan said.

The exchange quickly escalated after Mr. McClellan told Mr. Gregory,
"The cameras aren't on right now" and "you can do this later." Mr.
Gregory retorted, "Don't be a jerk to me personally."

Mr. McClellan then said, "Calm down, David," and Mr. Gregory shot
back, "I'll calm down when I feel like calming down."

Mr. McClellan's second, on-camera briefing was a bit less heated,
although it was dominated by questions about when the president first
learned that Mr. Cheney had peppered Mr. Whittington with pellets. Mr.
McClellan could not say for certain, although he did say that Andrew
H. Card Jr., the White House chief of staff, had informed Mr. Bush
about an accident involving Mr. Cheney's hunting party on Saturday
night.

Later, the briefing produced one of the more surreal e-mail messages
from this White House in its five-year history. Around 4:40 p.m., the
press office dispatched a clarification to reporters, titled "Response
to a Question From the Briefing," which began, "Q: So when did the
president definitively know that the vice president had shot
somebody?"

The answer given was that Mr. Card had called to tell the president
about the accident at 7:30 p.m. on Saturday, without knowing of Mr.
Cheney's involvement, and that Karl Rove, the White House deputy chief
of staff, had then spoken to Ms. Armstrong. Mr. Rove, the e-mail
message said, "then called the president shortly before 8 p.m. E.S.T.
to update him and let him know the vice president had accidentally
shot Mr. Whittington."

Pictures of Mr. Cheney accompanied by hunting puns appeared on
television all day Monday. CNN ran a photograph of a stern-looking Mr.
Cheney alongside a picture of three quail under the headline "Friendly
Fire." Later, it changed the headline to "Cheney's Fowl Shot."

Mr. Simpson, for one, said he was outraged by the media frenzy, and
blamed Mr. Whittington for not announcing that he was coming up behind
Mr. Cheney in the field, which is protocol.

"When it's all through after a few days, people are going to laugh at
the media for their overreaction," Mr. Simpson said in an interview
from his home in Wyoming. "This is a hunting accident, created by the
victim. Dick Cheney didn't do anything. He's a master hunter. And
they're portraying him as some sort of assassin. I mean the headline I
saw today was 'Cheney Bags Lawyer.' "

The shooting was fertile ground for Jon Stewart, the host of "The
Daily Show," the popular fake news program on Comedy Central. On
Monday night one of the show's correspondents, Rob Corddry, introduced
as a "vice-presidential firearms mishap analyst," said that "according
to the best intelligence available, there were quail hidden in the
brush," and "everyone believed there were quail in the brush," and
"while the quail turned out to be a 78-year-old man, even knowing that
today, Mr. Cheney insists he would still have shot Mr. Whittington in
the face."

On July 11, 1804, Vice President Burr shot Alexander Hamilton in a
duel in Weehawken, N.J. Hamilton died of his wounds the next day.

John Files contributed reporting for this article.


"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 17:05:30 UTC
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:09:28 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
Let the VP be required to be first in line to register for the course!
Let it be Required of him to take it as a condition of further
permission to hunt.
And the dummy that didn't announce himself?
Well, we've only Katherine Armstrong's word on that. A republican
stalwart
I kinda think they all shared the same party affiliation, NEXT!
Renee Dauven
2006-02-14 01:17:37 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:33:21 GMT, "gatt"
Post by gatt
I'm sure this is going to make for some humorously absurd spinning on the
part of right
wing pundits.
I'm sure everybody with a political interest whatsoever will spin this to
suit his or her needs.
Probably. How is this different from anything else out there
connected with a public figure?
Post by gatt
When the VP accidentally blasts somebody, he's fair game for a round or two
of ridicule
Let the ridicule begin!
Humming Wagnerian opera:

"Kill the wabbit! Kill the wabbit!"

Renee L. Dauven
Lobby Dosser
2006-02-14 02:19:24 UTC
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Post by Renee Dauven
Post by Don Homuth
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:33:21 GMT, "gatt"
Post by gatt
I'm sure this is going to make for some humorously absurd spinning
on the part of right
wing pundits.
I'm sure everybody with a political interest whatsoever will spin
this to suit his or her needs.
Probably. How is this different from anything else out there
connected with a public figure?
Post by gatt
When the VP accidentally blasts somebody, he's fair game for a round
or two of ridicule
Let the ridicule begin!
"Kill the wabbit! Kill the wabbit!"
Renee L. Dauven
Ya know, I was just occured to me this afternoon that he Does look a bit
like Elmer Fudd. This is going to outshine Carter's Attack Rabbit!
Harold Burton
2006-02-14 00:03:24 UTC
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Post by gatt
I'm sure this is going to make for some humorously absurd spinning on the
part of right
wing pundits.
I'm sure everybody with a political interest whatsoever will spin this to
suit his or her needs.
The dude shot somebody. It was an accident...it's ridiculous to think the
Vice President of the United States would murder a political opponent
himself: He'd have had somebody else do it.
It's equally ridiculous to suggest that the victim of the accident is
somehow responsible. Firearm accidents happen just as certain as people
fall off ladders and roofs, saw their own fingertips off or roll their SUVs
'cause of a momentary lapse of a clue. When you accidentally shoot
somebody, you're a generally regarded as a dumbass. Dick Cheney is/was a
dumbass. It pretty much falls straight down the middle.
When the VP accidentally blasts somebody, he's fair game for a round or two
of ridicule but it's also a great opportunity for firearm safety awareness
and education. Let's see if America can make something useful out of it
rather than degenerate into submoronic conspiracy drivel.
That, plus unlike Teddy, Cheney didn't desert his victim and leave him
to die. But since that's such a fine point it's probably beyond DTA's
clearly limited comprehension.
Sammy's Bistro
2006-02-14 01:58:34 UTC
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Post by Harold Burton
That, plus unlike Teddy, Cheney didn't desert his victim and leave him
to die. But since that's such a fine point it's probably beyond DTA's
clearly limited comprehension.
Nor was Cheney in a state of drunkenness that was to blame for causing
the accident.

Nor, if Cheney had gotten wasted, then shot his pal, and ran away to
leave him to bleed to death, we'd have our scandal.

You know the Dem party is a disaster when a silly news item gets
people talking AGAIN about the homicide committed by one of their
standard bearers.
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 04:29:28 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:58:34 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Nor, if Cheney had gotten wasted, then shot his pal,
Drunkenness is not an excuse for shooting anyone, Bennet.
Post by Sammy's Bistro
... and ran away to
leave him to bleed to death, we'd have our scandal.
Not damned likely! You'd have had another excuse from the RNC talking
points to spin it into a defense with.
Post by Sammy's Bistro
You know the Dem party is a disaster when a silly news item gets
people talking AGAIN about the homicide committed by one of their
standard bearers.
For odd values of People.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Sammy's Bistro
2006-02-14 04:51:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Don Homuth
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:58:34 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Nor, if Cheney had gotten wasted, then shot his pal,
Drunkenness is not an excuse for shooting anyone, Bennet.
You aren't that stupid, are you, Don? My point was that engaging in
dangerous activities like driving or hunting while drunk increases
culpability for an accident, which further distinguishes the Dem
standard-bearer from the VP.
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sammy's Bistro
... and ran away to
leave him to bleed to death, we'd have our scandal.
Not damned likely! You'd have had another excuse from the RNC talking
points to spin it into a defense with.
So, your imagination about how we would defend for doing what didn't
happen (but what essentially did for your guy) is enough to make you
think you made a cogent argument?
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sammy's Bistro
You know the Dem party is a disaster when a silly news item gets
people talking AGAIN about the homicide committed by one of their
standard bearers.
For odd values of People.
MSM reporters and usenet leftwits. Odd values of "people" indeed!

Time to stop posting after that first glass of box wine.
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 05:12:58 UTC
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:51:16 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Post by Don Homuth
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:58:34 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Nor, if Cheney had gotten wasted, then shot his pal,
Drunkenness is not an excuse for shooting anyone, Bennet.
You aren't that stupid, are you, Don? My point was that engaging in
dangerous activities like driving or hunting while drunk increases
culpability for an accident, which further distinguishes the Dem
standard-bearer from the VP.
OK -- then a Lack of drunkenness is likewise not an excuse for
shooting someone, Bennet.

Does that work better?

Or do you want to make it an exculpatory factor.

"Judge -- he wasn't drunk when he shot the guy!"

Like the sound of that, you ol' patent lawyer, you?
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sammy's Bistro
... and ran away to
leave him to bleed to death, we'd have our scandal.
Not damned likely! You'd have had another excuse from the RNC talking
points to spin it into a defense with.
So, your imagination about how we would defend for doing what didn't
happen (but what essentially did for your guy) is enough to make you
think you made a cogent argument?
I defended Nothing wrt Ted Kennedy -- not ever. That was for the
local authorities in MA to work through, and they did work through it,
and I'm prepared to let it go at that.
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sammy's Bistro
You know the Dem party is a disaster when a silly news item gets
people talking AGAIN about the homicide committed by one of their
standard bearers.
For odd values of People.
MSM reporters and usenet leftwits. Odd values of "people" indeed!
I was rather thinking that the Wingnuts are the ones pounding on this
one.
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Time to stop posting after that first glass of box wine.
Heh! As I said in another thread, I'm a bit of an epicure. Box Wine
doesn't even get into my house. My cellar is doing quite nicely,
thanks all the same. Some fairly snotty wines in it, if I do say so
myself.

And I do.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 17:05:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Nor, if Cheney had gotten wasted, then shot his pal,
Drunkenness is not an excuse for shooting anyone
Correct, it is a VERY serious violation and would be treated as such.

Then again most mature bird hunters know that alcohol dims reflexes
and ruins a good hunt.
Bill Shatzer
2006-02-14 21:20:18 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Nor, if Cheney had gotten wasted, then shot his pal,
Drunkenness is not an excuse for shooting anyone
Correct, it is a VERY serious violation and would be treated as such.
Then again most mature bird hunters know that alcohol dims reflexes
and ruins a good hunt.
Deer hunters, on the other hand, seem to feel that consumption of
copious amounts of alcohol (usually in the form of "Bud") is a necessary
component of stalking the ferocious ruminants.

One of the reasons I gave it up. I found I could enjoy a walk in
the woods considerably more if I didn't have to lug 8 pounds of
rifle and duck wayward shoots loosed by beer-besotted fellow huminoids.

Peace and justice,
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 21:28:40 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:20:18 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by Sunset Sam
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Nor, if Cheney had gotten wasted, then shot his pal,
Drunkenness is not an excuse for shooting anyone
Correct, it is a VERY serious violation and would be treated as such.
Then again most mature bird hunters know that alcohol dims reflexes
and ruins a good hunt.
Deer hunters, on the other hand, seem to feel that consumption of
copious amounts of alcohol (usually in the form of "Bud") is a necessary
component of stalking the ferocious ruminants.
I may have to agree with you a bit here, I've seen far too much of
that stuff too.
Post by Bill Shatzer
One of the reasons I gave it up. I found I could enjoy a walk in
the woods considerably more if I didn't have to lug 8 pounds of
rifle and duck wayward shoots loosed by beer-besotted fellow huminoids.
Ya, I hold back on my hiking during deer season too...
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 21:56:25 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:20:18 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by Sunset Sam
Then again most mature bird hunters know that alcohol dims reflexes
and ruins a good hunt.
Deer hunters, on the other hand, seem to feel that consumption of
copious amounts of alcohol (usually in the form of "Bud") is a necessary
component of stalking the ferocious ruminants.
One of the reasons I gave it up. I found I could enjoy a walk in
the woods considerably more if I didn't have to lug 8 pounds of
rifle and duck wayward shoots loosed by beer-besotted fellow huminoids.
Same with me in 1968.

I came home from Viet Nam in August, and later on decided once again,
after a two-year hiatus, to do some deer hunting. So went up to one
of my favorite spots near Blackduck, MN.

I'm not one of those sit-on-your-ass-in-a-blind-and-drink hunters. I
walk the woods and stalk.

About a mile and a half in, I started hearing bullets whizzing through
the trees above my head. So I got into a low crouch and started back
to the road where my car was, which would have been Just Fine had
things remained that way.

But when two shots came past about waist height, I low-crawled the
last quarter mile or so, got into the car and wandered off into the
town. Got to the Blackduck Cafe and was having a late breakfast.

In walk a couple of "sportsmen" and greeted compatriots in a booth.
"Get anything?"

"Nope. Didn't even See anything. But I did get off a coupla sound
shots."

Sound Shots???

Never hunted big game again after that. Sold all but one of the
rifles and the shotguns and took up fishing with a vengeance.

The woods are full of fools, any more. Even wearing Blaze Orange,
these clowns will shoot at anything.

I have better things to do.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Harold Burton
2006-02-14 17:15:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Don Homuth
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:58:34 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Nor, if Cheney had gotten wasted, then shot his pal,
Drunkenness is not an excuse for shooting anyone, Bennet.
is it an excuse for drowning someone, Don?
Don Homuth
2006-02-15 00:27:45 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:15:25 -0500, Harold Burton
Post by Harold Burton
Post by Don Homuth
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:58:34 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Nor, if Cheney had gotten wasted, then shot his pal,
Drunkenness is not an excuse for shooting anyone, Bennet.
is it an excuse for drowning someone, Don?
Nope. Did anyone ever find it so?



"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Lobby Dosser
2006-02-14 02:21:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Harold Burton
Post by gatt
I'm sure this is going to make for some humorously absurd spinning
on the part of right
wing pundits.
I'm sure everybody with a political interest whatsoever will spin
this to suit his or her needs.
The dude shot somebody. It was an accident...it's ridiculous to
think the Vice President of the United States would murder a
political opponent himself: He'd have had somebody else do it.
It's equally ridiculous to suggest that the victim of the accident is
somehow responsible. Firearm accidents happen just as certain as
people fall off ladders and roofs, saw their own fingertips off or
roll their SUVs 'cause of a momentary lapse of a clue. When you
accidentally shoot somebody, you're a generally regarded as a
dumbass. Dick Cheney is/was a dumbass. It pretty much falls
straight down the middle.
When the VP accidentally blasts somebody, he's fair game for a round
or two of ridicule but it's also a great opportunity for firearm
safety awareness and education. Let's see if America can make
something useful out of it rather than degenerate into submoronic
conspiracy drivel.
That, plus unlike Teddy, Cheney didn't desert his victim and leave him
to die.
Kinda hard to do that with 20-30 other folks around, but keep dragging up
Kennedy. That'll keep the shooting on the front burner longer.
Post by Harold Burton
But since that's such a fine point it's probably beyond DTA's
clearly limited comprehension.
Harold Burton
2006-02-14 02:54:58 UTC
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Post by Harold Burton
Post by gatt
I'm sure this is going to make for some humorously absurd spinning
on the part of right
wing pundits.
I'm sure everybody with a political interest whatsoever will spin
this to suit his or her needs.
The dude shot somebody. It was an accident...it's ridiculous to
think the Vice President of the United States would murder a
political opponent himself: He'd have had somebody else do it.
It's equally ridiculous to suggest that the victim of the accident is
somehow responsible. Firearm accidents happen just as certain as
people fall off ladders and roofs, saw their own fingertips off or
roll their SUVs 'cause of a momentary lapse of a clue. When you
accidentally shoot somebody, you're a generally regarded as a
dumbass. Dick Cheney is/was a dumbass. It pretty much falls
straight down the middle.
When the VP accidentally blasts somebody, he's fair game for a round
or two of ridicule but it's also a great opportunity for firearm
safety awareness and education. Let's see if America can make
something useful out of it rather than degenerate into submoronic
conspiracy drivel.
That, plus unlike Teddy, Cheney didn't desert his victim and leave him
to die.
Kinda hard to do that with 20-30 other folks around.
You forgot to mention sobriety, another major difference.
but keep dragging up Kennedy.
hahahahahahahaahah. Now that's funny!!! Take it up with DTA, he's the
one who started this thread with Chappaquiddick in the title.
Hahahahahahaa. You leftwits couldn't get dumber if you tried. This
one's a keeper, Lobby.
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 05:18:58 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:21:21 GMT, Lobby Dosser
Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by Harold Burton
That, plus unlike Teddy, Cheney didn't desert his victim and leave him
to die.
Kinda hard to do that with 20-30 other folks around,
Not really, it could have been a fatal shot.
Lobby Dosser
2006-02-14 11:16:03 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:21:21 GMT, Lobby Dosser
Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by Harold Burton
That, plus unlike Teddy, Cheney didn't desert his victim and leave
him to die.
Kinda hard to do that with 20-30 other folks around,
Not really, it could have been a fatal shot.
But it wasn't, was it?
Bill Shatzer
2006-02-14 20:35:38 UTC
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Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by Sunset Sam
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:21:21 GMT, Lobby Dosser
Post by Lobby Dosser
Post by Harold Burton
That, plus unlike Teddy, Cheney didn't desert his victim and leave
him to die.
Kinda hard to do that with 20-30 other folks around,
Not really, it could have been a fatal shot.
But it wasn't, was it?
It may yet be.

"CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas - The 78-year-old lawyer who was shot by Vice
President Dick Cheney in a hunting accident has some birdshot lodged in
his heart and he had "a minor heart attack" Tuesday morning, hospital
officials said.

The victim, Harry Whittington, was immediately moved back to the
intensive care unit for further treatment, said Peter Banko, the
administrator at Christus Spohn Hospital Corpus Christi-Memorial in Texas.

Banko said there was an irregularity in the heartbeat caused by a
pellet, and doctors performed a cardiac catheterization."

"Don't write too soon
For the wheel's still in spin."

-Bob Dylan-

Peace and justice,
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 21:13:06 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:35:38 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
"Don't write too soon
For the wheel's still in spin."
Well you leftys now have the opportunity to cheer an innocent man's
demise in your partisan lust to "GET CHENEY"!

We won't get in your way, whatever it takes, right?
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 21:57:37 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:35:38 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
"Don't write too soon
For the wheel's still in spin."
Well you leftys now have the opportunity to cheer an innocent man's
demise in your partisan lust to "GET CHENEY"!
An accusation based on no actual evidence. The usual wingnut pattern.
Post by Sunset Sam
We won't get in your way, whatever it takes, right?
We may devoutly trust that Mr Whittington will recover in due course.

But if the worst happens, and he does not, what will be Your next
round of lame excuses?

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Harold Burton
2006-02-14 22:28:56 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:35:38 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
"Don't write too soon
For the wheel's still in spin."
Well you leftys now have the opportunity to cheer an innocent man's
demise in your partisan lust to "GET CHENEY"!
An accusation based on no actual evidence.
Much like an accusation by one of the leftwits in these newsgroups that
it there hadn't been witnesses Cheney would have left Mr Whittington to
die.
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 22:34:01 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:28:56 -0500, Harold Burton
Post by Harold Burton
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
Well you leftys now have the opportunity to cheer an innocent man's
demise in your partisan lust to "GET CHENEY"!
An accusation based on no actual evidence.
Much like an accusation by one of the leftwits in these newsgroups that
it there hadn't been witnesses Cheney would have left Mr Whittington to
die.
Notwithstanding some of the silliness going on Out There, it remains
an accusation based on no actual evidence withal.

The two sorts of silliness do not cancel each other out. They are
additive.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Sunset Sam
2006-02-15 18:34:04 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:35:38 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
"Don't write too soon
For the wheel's still in spin."
Well you leftys now have the opportunity to cheer an innocent man's
demise in your partisan lust to "GET CHENEY"!
An accusation based on no actual evidence.
FUCK YOU ASSHOLE GHOUL!!!!

Sammy's Bistro
2006-02-14 21:42:33 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by Lobby Dosser
But it wasn't, was it?
It may yet be.
"CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas - The 78-year-old lawyer who was shot by Vice
President Dick Cheney in a hunting accident has some birdshot lodged in
his heart and he had "a minor heart attack" Tuesday morning, hospital
officials said.
The victim, Harry Whittington, was immediately moved back to the
intensive care unit for further treatment, said Peter Banko, the
administrator at Christus Spohn Hospital Corpus Christi-Memorial in Texas.
Banko said there was an irregularity in the heartbeat caused by a
pellet, and doctors performed a cardiac catheterization."
And the cheerleaders are rubbing their hands together.
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 21:56:35 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:42:33 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by Lobby Dosser
But it wasn't, was it?
It may yet be.
"CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas - The 78-year-old lawyer who was shot by Vice
President Dick Cheney in a hunting accident has some birdshot lodged in
his heart and he had "a minor heart attack" Tuesday morning, hospital
officials said.
The victim, Harry Whittington, was immediately moved back to the
intensive care unit for further treatment, said Peter Banko, the
administrator at Christus Spohn Hospital Corpus Christi-Memorial in Texas.
Banko said there was an irregularity in the heartbeat caused by a
pellet, and doctors performed a cardiac catheterization."
And the cheerleaders are rubbing their hands together.
They're sick ghouls.
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 22:06:34 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:42:33 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
And the cheerleaders are rubbing their hands together.
They're sick ghouls.
A just Fascinating accusation, save for one small thing....

It's made without Actual Evidence.

Wingnuts don't need Actual Evidence. They just make things up, accuse
other folks of doing it, then criticize them for the allegation.

Odd thing to watch.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Harold Burton
2006-02-14 22:30:12 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:42:33 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
And the cheerleaders are rubbing their hands together.
They're sick ghouls.
A just Fascinating accusation, save for one small thing....
It's made without Actual Evidence.
Wingnuts don't need Actual Evidence. They just make things up, accuse
other folks of doing it, then criticize them for the allegation.
Much like one of the leftwit's accusations that if there hadn't been
witnesses Vice President Cheney would have left Mr. Whittington to die.
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 22:34:30 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:30:12 -0500, Harold Burton
Post by Harold Burton
Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:42:33 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
And the cheerleaders are rubbing their hands together.
They're sick ghouls.
A just Fascinating accusation, save for one small thing....
It's made without Actual Evidence.
Wingnuts don't need Actual Evidence. They just make things up, accuse
other folks of doing it, then criticize them for the allegation.
Much like one of the leftwit's accusations that if there hadn't been
witnesses Vice President Cheney would have left Mr. Whittington to die.
Once again, two sillinesses don't cancel each other out. They are
additive.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Scratch
2006-02-15 15:01:26 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Wingnuts don't need Actual Evidence. They just make things up, accuse
other folks of doing it, then criticize them for the allegation.
You got your left and your right mixed up.
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
Don Homuth
2006-02-15 17:09:02 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:01:26 -0800, Scratch
Post by Scratch
Post by Don Homuth
Wingnuts don't need Actual Evidence. They just make things up, accuse
other folks of doing it, then criticize them for the allegation.
You got your left and your right mixed up.
That's the pattern hereon, clearly. And the Wingnut set is by far the
greater transgressor.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Sunset Sam
2006-02-15 18:34:05 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Post by Sunset Sam
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:42:33 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
And the cheerleaders are rubbing their hands together.
They're sick ghouls.
A just Fascinating accusation,
A sickly true observation.
Bill Shatzer
2006-02-14 04:50:45 UTC
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Post by gatt
I'm sure this is going to make for some humorously absurd spinning on the
part of right
wing pundits.
I'm sure everybody with a political interest whatsoever will spin this to
suit his or her needs.
The dude shot somebody. It was an accident...it's ridiculous to think the
Vice President of the United States would murder a political opponent
himself: He'd have had somebody else do it.
It's equally ridiculous to suggest that the victim of the accident is
somehow responsible. Firearm accidents happen just as certain as people
fall off ladders and roofs, saw their own fingertips off or roll their SUVs
'cause of a momentary lapse of a clue. When you accidentally shoot
somebody, you're a generally regarded as a dumbass. Dick Cheney is/was a
dumbass. It pretty much falls straight down the middle.
When the VP accidentally blasts somebody, he's fair game for a round or two
of ridicule but it's also a great opportunity for firearm safety awareness
and education. Let's see if America can make something useful out of it
rather than degenerate into submoronic conspiracy drivel.
On the other hand, it does stand as a rather good metaphor for
the general incompetance of the dubya regime.

I don't think them malicious, just incompetent. There is simply
NOTHING the dubya regime has undertaken which has not been botched -
usually quite badly.

From the Iraq reconstruction to the Katrina response to the Medicare
drug plan to the New Orleans reconstruction to social security
"reform" to missile defense to the North Korean "problem", it's
ALL been bungled, mismanaged, and generally fucked up by the Gang
That Can't Shoot Straight.

Come to think of it, what ever happened to the "Mission to Mars"?

Peace and justice,
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 05:13:34 UTC
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:50:45 -0800, Bill Shatzer
Post by Bill Shatzer
Come to think of it, what ever happened to the "Mission to Mars"?
It's been made permanent.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Scratch
2006-02-14 06:15:43 UTC
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Post by gatt
I'm sure this is going to make for some humorously absurd spinning on the
part of right
wing pundits.
I'm sure everybody with a political interest whatsoever will spin this to
suit his or her needs.
The dude shot somebody. It was an accident...it's ridiculous to think the
Vice President of the United States would murder a political opponent
himself: He'd have had somebody else do it.
It's equally ridiculous to suggest that the victim of the accident is
somehow responsible. Firearm accidents happen just as certain as people
fall off ladders and roofs, saw their own fingertips off or roll their SUVs
'cause of a momentary lapse of a clue. When you accidentally shoot
somebody, you're a generally regarded as a dumbass. Dick Cheney is/was a
dumbass. It pretty much falls straight down the middle.
When the VP accidentally blasts somebody, he's fair game for a round or two
of ridicule but it's also a great opportunity for firearm safety awareness
and education. Let's see if America can make something useful out of it
rather than degenerate into submoronic conspiracy drivel.
-c
Speaking of dumb ass, the dumb ass question by a reporter of the day
"Would it have been more serious if he had been killed"
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
Renee Dauven
2006-02-14 01:13:45 UTC
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Post by DTA
NEW YORK The more than 18-hour delay in news emerging that the Vice
President of the United States had shot a man, sending him to an
intensive care unit with his wounds, grew even more curious late
Sunday. E&P has learned that the official confirmation of the shooting
came about only after a local reporter in Corpus Christi, Texas,
received a tip from the owner of the property where the shooting
occurred and called Vice President Cheney's office for confirmation.
Reported to whom? It was reported to the police almost immediately. It
just wasn't reported to the press.

That is not the same thing as what happened at Chappaquiddick.

Renee L. Dauven
DTA
2006-02-14 01:26:53 UTC
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Post by Renee Dauven
Post by DTA
NEW YORK The more than 18-hour delay in news emerging that the Vice
President of the United States had shot a man, sending him to an
intensive care unit with his wounds, grew even more curious late
Sunday. E&P has learned that the official confirmation of the shooting
came about only after a local reporter in Corpus Christi, Texas,
received a tip from the owner of the property where the shooting
occurred and called Vice President Cheney's office for confirmation.
Reported to whom? It was reported to the police almost immediately. It
just wasn't reported to the press.
According to the local police, they only found out because an ambulance was
called. Then the Secret Service stonewalled them.

So once again your facts are wrong.
Post by Renee Dauven
That is not the same thing as what happened at Chappaquiddick.
Didn't say it was, did I?

I think that Cheney didn't want it out at all, and would have succeeded if
the owner of the property hadn't called a reporter. Thus the spin.
Renee Dauven
2006-02-14 01:34:42 UTC
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Post by DTA
Post by Renee Dauven
Post by DTA
NEW YORK The more than 18-hour delay in news emerging that the Vice
President of the United States had shot a man, sending him to an
intensive care unit with his wounds, grew even more curious late
Sunday. E&P has learned that the official confirmation of the shooting
came about only after a local reporter in Corpus Christi, Texas,
received a tip from the owner of the property where the shooting
occurred and called Vice President Cheney's office for confirmation.
Reported to whom? It was reported to the police almost immediately. It
just wasn't reported to the press.
According to the local police, they only found out because an ambulance was
called. Then the Secret Service stonewalled them.
So once again your facts are wrong.
Not according to the local sherriff's press release:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0213061cheney3.html

Renee L. Dauven
Harold Burton
2006-02-14 02:58:47 UTC
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Post by Renee Dauven
Post by DTA
Post by Renee Dauven
Post by DTA
NEW YORK The more than 18-hour delay in news emerging that the Vice
President of the United States had shot a man, sending him to an
intensive care unit with his wounds, grew even more curious late
Sunday. E&P has learned that the official confirmation of the shooting
came about only after a local reporter in Corpus Christi, Texas,
received a tip from the owner of the property where the shooting
occurred and called Vice President Cheney's office for confirmation.
Reported to whom? It was reported to the police almost immediately. It
just wasn't reported to the press.
According to the local police, they only found out because an ambulance was
called. Then the Secret Service stonewalled them.
So once again your facts are wrong.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0213061cheney3.html
There ya go, confusin leftwits with facts, not that it's a particularly
hard thing to do.
Harold Burton
2006-02-14 01:46:28 UTC
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Post by DTA
Post by Renee Dauven
Post by DTA
NEW YORK The more than 18-hour delay in news emerging that the Vice
President of the United States had shot a man, sending him to an
intensive care unit with his wounds, grew even more curious late
Sunday. E&P has learned that the official confirmation of the shooting
came about only after a local reporter in Corpus Christi, Texas,
received a tip from the owner of the property where the shooting
occurred and called Vice President Cheney's office for confirmation.
Reported to whom? It was reported to the police almost immediately. It
just wasn't reported to the press.
According to the local police, they only found out because an ambulance was
called.
Which is all the Republicans wanted Teddy to do. Call an ambulance.
Somehow he couldn't bring himself to do it and a girl died as a result.
too bad you have such a hard time understanding that "subtle" point.
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 05:18:57 UTC
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Post by DTA
I think that Cheney didn't want it out at all
Can't blame him either.
Lobby Dosser
2006-02-14 11:25:50 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
Post by DTA
I think that Cheney didn't want it out at all
Can't blame him either.
Reminds me of our Air Police Sargent where I was stationed in England.
Somebody got a jam while shooting 45s at the range. As Range Officer, he
was required to clear the jam. He puts a finger over the end of the
barrel and everyone looks on in amazement as he pulls the trigger. The
round went off. As did the end of his finger. Pretty clean amputation,
and the wound was cauterized so most of the blood involved was down range
- with whatever remained of the end of the finger. Within 24 hours he was
the laughing stock of every Air Force base in England and they had to
ship him back to the states where, no doubt, someone said "Burdoff? Heard
about a guy called Burdoff shot his finger off."

This will be with Cheney Forever. Probably make it into the history books
as a footnote. Maybe even as a footnote when discussing the Burr-Hamilton
duel
Sammy's Bistro
2006-02-14 14:11:43 UTC
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Post by Lobby Dosser
This will be with Cheney Forever. Probably make it into the history books
as a footnote.
If that proves true, it will be ample evidence about how leftists
control such things, putting embarrassing trivia ahead of meaningful
history.
Harold Burton
2006-02-14 14:55:09 UTC
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Post by Sammy's Bistro
Post by Lobby Dosser
This will be with Cheney Forever. Probably make it into the history books
as a footnote.
If that proves true, it will be ample evidence about how leftists
control such things, putting embarrassing trivia ahead of meaningful
history.
Well put.
Joyce Reynolds-Ward
2006-02-14 16:01:16 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:11:43 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Post by Lobby Dosser
This will be with Cheney Forever. Probably make it into the history books
as a footnote.
If that proves true, it will be ample evidence about how leftists
control such things, putting embarrassing trivia ahead of meaningful
history.
Gee, Ben. Looks like a partisan defense to me, especially someone
like you who's supposedly knowledgable about guns.

As a Democrat who still hunts regularly, I say there's no frickin'
excuse. It sounds to me like Cheney's one of those dangerous shooters
I wouldn't go near in the field--someone who probably regularly muzzle
blasts his companions if he's this reckless.

You're supposed to be *sure* of your shot before you pull the trigger,
damn it.

(And yes, I've shot upland game birds on the wing).

jrw
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 17:05:34 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:01:16 -0800, Joyce Reynolds-Ward
Post by Joyce Reynolds-Ward
As a Democrat who still hunts regularly, I say there's no frickin'
excuse.
Well sure ya do.

You objectivity = <0.
Don Homuth
2006-02-15 00:28:46 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:01:16 -0800, Joyce Reynolds-Ward
Post by Joyce Reynolds-Ward
As a Democrat who still hunts regularly, I say there's no frickin'
excuse.
Well sure ya do.
You objectivity = <0.
OK -- visit the statements from the blogosphere at this site, for a
further discussion On Point:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11350071/

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 16:28:41 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:11:43 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Post by Lobby Dosser
This will be with Cheney Forever. Probably make it into the history books
as a footnote.
If that proves true, it will be ample evidence about how leftists
control such things, putting embarrassing trivia ahead of meaningful
history.
Heh! Had this been anyone from the Ds, y'all would'be been ranting
madly away at how Ds don't know Anything about guns and gun safety.

You're ringing hollow this morning, Bennet.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Sammy's Bistro
2006-02-14 21:39:37 UTC
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Post by Don Homuth
Heh! Had this been anyone from the Ds, y'all would'be been ranting
madly away at how Ds don't know Anything about guns and gun safety.
If this had been a Democrat who accidentally shot someone, the news
media would be sympathetic, brief, and focusing how such accidents can
happen to anyone.

Of course, Democrat politicians don't generally hunt, except in front
of lots of TV cameras during an election campaign.
Sunset Sam
2006-02-14 21:43:00 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:39:37 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Democrat politicians don't generally hunt, except in front
of lots of TV cameras during an election campaign.
Like Skerry Monster going after pigeons in an LL Bean ad...
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 21:59:20 UTC
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Post by Sunset Sam
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:39:37 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Democrat politicians don't generally hunt, except in front
of lots of TV cameras during an election campaign.
Like Skerry Monster going after pigeons in an LL Bean ad...
In some places, pigeon shooting is considered good wing sport. Along
with mourning doves, for example.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Don Homuth
2006-02-14 21:58:40 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:39:37 -0800, Sammy's Bistro
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Post by Don Homuth
Heh! Had this been anyone from the Ds, y'all would'be been ranting
madly away at how Ds don't know Anything about guns and gun safety.
If this had been a Democrat who accidentally shot someone, the news
media would be sympathetic, brief, and focusing how such accidents can
happen to anyone.
Utter nonsense!
Post by Sammy's Bistro
Of course, Democrat politicians don't generally hunt, except in front
of lots of TV cameras during an election campaign.
How do You know that. The two critters I got elected to Congress both
were avid hunters. Invited me along several times. I turned them
down both times. And I personally know 4-5 others who also hunt on a
regular basis as well.

"Democracy is rooted in the impertinent belief that
our rulers are no better than we are, and that they
are answerable always. We're occasionally amazed
to discover that people who are used to power forget
that. That's why, every now and then, we have to
remind them."
Scratch
2006-02-15 14:52:39 UTC
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Post by Sammy's Bistro
Post by Don Homuth
Heh! Had this been anyone from the Ds, y'all would'be been ranting
madly away at how Ds don't know Anything about guns and gun safety.
If this had been a Democrat who accidentally shot someone, the news
media would be sympathetic, brief, and focusing how such accidents can
happen to anyone.
Of course, Democrat politicians don't generally hunt, except in front
of lots of TV cameras during an election campaign.
Oh you know that!

:)
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
Bill Shatzer
2006-02-14 20:51:52 UTC
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Post by Sammy's Bistro
Post by Lobby Dosser
This will be with Cheney Forever. Probably make it into the history books
as a footnote.
If that proves true, it will be ample evidence about how leftists
control such things, putting embarrassing trivia ahead of meaningful
history.
You mean kinda like the rightists managed to control things by
footnoting such trivia as Carter's "attack rabbit" and Clinton's
"I didn't inhale," in the history books?

Don't be a twit, bennett.

Peace and justice,
Harold Burton
2006-02-14 03:18:32 UTC
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In article <***@corp.supernews.com>, "DTA" <***@nospam.com>
wrote:

Nothing nearly as entertaining as:

Veep shoots ‹ and scores ‹ with hunting accident

By Howie Carr
Boston Herald Columnist
Monday, February 13, 2006

Maybe Dick Cheney is going to run for president in 2008 after all.
    What better way to shore up his support in the GOP base than to
shoot some good ole boy while hunting? Nothing serious, just a few
pellets. Whatever else you can say about Dick Cheney as a vice
president, he¹s no Aaron Burr. Unlike Alexander Hamilton in 1804, Harry
Whittington will be down for breakfast.
    It¹s still safer to go hunting with Dick Cheney than it is to go
driving with Ted Kennedy. Or to go to a hotel room with Bill Clinton for
that matter.
    You know, maybe it¹s just as well that Cheney got all those
deferments during Vietnam. And now we know it¹s not just his heart
that¹s on the fritz. What a shame that Jay Leno is off this week because
of the Olympics.
    But look, this is just one of those occupational hazards in the
boondocks. Mistaken for a quail? Hey, the Second Amendment happens. The
only difference between this and most of your traditional hunting
accidents is that our Elmer Fudd of a vice president isn¹t related to
the 78-year-old victim.
    How often do Monday-morning conversations in the red states begin
like this:
    ³Y¹all hear what done happened to Billy Bob yesterday? Him and his
brother Jerry Jeff was out huntin¹, and dad-blame if¹n Billy Bob don¹t
mistook ole Jerry Jeff for a rabbit. Bang! Right between his beady
little eyes. And the funny thang was, they was havin¹ a fight over their
mama¹s estate....²
    But shooting a lawyer? When Dick Cheney says he believes in tort
reform, he ain¹t kidding. At least he wasn¹t hunting with Justice Scalia
this time. Who has the stomach for another round of tedious Supreme
Court hearings?
    This is why the Republicans keep winning elections. When it comes to
great American pastimes like hunting, unlike the Democrats they¹re not
faking it. Remember John Kerry trying to pass himself off as a nimrod
during the 2004 campaign? It wasn¹t the Diebold voting machines that
cost him Ohio, it was his pandering statement at that general store in
late October: ³Can I get me a hunting license here?²
    And who can forget Liveshot¹s whopper about almost bagging the
12-point deer . . . on Cape Cod! That must have been harrowing, like the
time the killer rabbit tried to take out Jimmy Carter in the canoe.
    Think about it, though. This was the first weekend of the year with
no football. Real men need a way to pass the time. John Kerry goes
windsurfing. Dick Cheney shoots somebody. Can somebody say landslide in
¹08? This is Mitt Romney¹s excuse to jump back into the governor¹s race.
Everything has changed now.
    ³Condi Rice?² the activists will say. ³She¹s OK, but when was the
last time she actually . . . shot somebody?²
    Over at the moonbat Web sites yesterday, the conspiracy theorists
were wasting no time on the Pro Bowl. They were ranting that Cheney did
this to change the subject from the Abramoff-Bush photo, as if anyone
but them cares. Or maybe he mistook the lawyer for Scooter Libby. Dead
men tell no tales. Why, the woman who owns the ranch was a director of
Halliburton, and she¹s a Cox, and that¹s Big Media, and they want to
defund Bill Moyers and NPR . . . .
    It was, as someone noted, as if the punch bowl at the local insane
asylum had been spiked with LSD.
    But at least it¹ll give Michael Moore a project for the year ‹ maybe
he can call his new film Harry and Me, or Fahrenheit double-aught.
    And somewhere, somebody must be printing up new bumper stickers:
    ³Ted Kennedy¹s Oldsmobile Has Killed More People than Dick Cheney¹s
Shotgun.²
    
AZ John
2006-02-14 06:49:29 UTC
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You mean that Cheney drowned his girlfriend and left the scene of the
crime. Deja Vu! Holy shit, he's in for it now!
Corky K
2006-02-15 14:16:19 UTC
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Post by DTA
NEW YORK The more than 18-hour delay in news emerging that the Vice
President of the United States had shot a man, sending him to an
intensive care unit with his wounds, grew even more curious late
Sunday. E&P has learned that the official confirmation of the shooting
came about only after a local reporter in Corpus Christi, Texas,
received a tip from the owner of the property where the shooting
occurred and called Vice President Cheney's office for confirmation.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001995719
Republicans finding themselves in the position of defending Cheney's 18
hour lapse in reporting an incident in which he may have been liable
(especially if alcohol may have been involved) makes for some awkward
irony indeed.
Having, for over 25 years, found inexcusable, the 8 hour delay in
reporting Ted Kennedy's accident at Chappequiddick, I'm sure this is
going to make for some humorously absurd spinning on the part of right
wing pundits.
A-fucking-mazing. You guys will partisanize anything! Why not just hope the guy
recovers?
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Scratch
2006-02-15 15:13:32 UTC
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Post by Corky K
Post by DTA
NEW YORK The more than 18-hour delay in news emerging that the Vice
President of the United States had shot a man, sending him to an
intensive care unit with his wounds, grew even more curious late
Sunday. E&P has learned that the official confirmation of the shooting
came about only after a local reporter in Corpus Christi, Texas,
received a tip from the owner of the property where the shooting
occurred and called Vice President Cheney's office for confirmation.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001995719
Republicans finding themselves in the position of defending Cheney's 18
hour lapse in reporting an incident in which he may have been liable
(especially if alcohol may have been involved) makes for some awkward
irony indeed.
Having, for over 25 years, found inexcusable, the 8 hour delay in
reporting Ted Kennedy's accident at Chappequiddick, I'm sure this is
going to make for some humorously absurd spinning on the part of right
wing pundits.
A-fucking-mazing. You guys will partisanize anything! Why not just hope the guy
recovers?
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Because if he does, then yet again the left twits have nothing. Any
human with an ounce of decency and at least a couple of brain cells
would realize it was a hunting accident. Nothing more and wish the very
best to the victim. But this is not what the party of "WE HAVE NOTHING
TO OFFER" would like to see happen. Instead of getting on with the
peoples business that is way, way, way more important like Gore speaking
in a foreign land against the united states. Seen much coverage on that?
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
DTA
2006-02-15 16:00:00 UTC
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Post by Scratch
Post by Corky K
Post by DTA
NEW YORK The more than 18-hour delay in news emerging that the Vice
President of the United States had shot a man, sending him to an
intensive care unit with his wounds, grew even more curious late
Sunday. E&P has learned that the official confirmation of the shooting
came about only after a local reporter in Corpus Christi, Texas,
received a tip from the owner of the property where the shooting
occurred and called Vice President Cheney's office for confirmation.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001995719
Republicans finding themselves in the position of defending Cheney's 18
hour lapse in reporting an incident in which he may have been liable
(especially if alcohol may have been involved) makes for some awkward
irony indeed.
Having, for over 25 years, found inexcusable, the 8 hour delay in
reporting Ted Kennedy's accident at Chappequiddick, I'm sure this is
going to make for some humorously absurd spinning on the part of right
wing pundits.
A-fucking-mazing. You guys will partisanize anything! Why not just hope the guy
recovers?
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Because if he does, then yet again the left twits have nothing.
A law on the books in Texas for harming or disabling the elderly disputes
that.
Corky K
2006-02-15 16:39:47 UTC
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Post by Scratch
Post by Corky K
Post by DTA
NEW YORK The more than 18-hour delay in news emerging that the Vice
President of the United States had shot a man, sending him to an
intensive care unit with his wounds, grew even more curious late
Sunday. E&P has learned that the official confirmation of the shooting
came about only after a local reporter in Corpus Christi, Texas,
received a tip from the owner of the property where the shooting
occurred and called Vice President Cheney's office for confirmation.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001995719
Republicans finding themselves in the position of defending Cheney's 18
hour lapse in reporting an incident in which he may have been liable
(especially if alcohol may have been involved) makes for some awkward
irony indeed.
Having, for over 25 years, found inexcusable, the 8 hour delay in
reporting Ted Kennedy's accident at Chappequiddick, I'm sure this is
going to make for some humorously absurd spinning on the part of right
wing pundits.
A-fucking-mazing. You guys will partisanize anything! Why not just hope the guy
recovers?
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Because if he does, then yet again the left twits have nothing. Any
human with an ounce of decency and at least a couple of brain cells
would realize it was a hunting accident. Nothing more and wish the very
best to the victim. But this is not what the party of "WE HAVE NOTHING
TO OFFER" would like to see happen. Instead of getting on with the
peoples business that is way, way, way more important like Gore speaking
in a foreign land against the united states. Seen much coverage on that?
Waaaa, waaa, waaa. Somebody give this baby some whine.
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